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    Re: Which of these socialist programs should be eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Where is the "none of them" option?
    Alright, then please explain why you have no problem with these other programs because of socialism but do for health care because of socialism.

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    Re: Which of these socialist programs should be eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Alright, then please explain why you have no problem with these other programs because of socialism but do for health care because of socialism.
    I have no problem with any of the programs listed...

    I totally support goverment/socialist healthcare.
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    Re: Which of these socialist programs should be eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I have no problem with any of the programs listed...

    I totally support goverment/socialist healthcare.
    ...then the poll wasn't for you!

    In the first post, I said this: For those of you who cannot stand the idea of a national health care program because it's socialism, which of these other socialist programs do you think we should eliminate?

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    Re: Which of these socialist programs should be eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    ...then the poll wasn't for you!

    In the first post, I said this: For those of you who cannot stand the idea of a national health care program because it's socialism, which of these other socialist programs do you think we should eliminate?
    Ahh, just read the poll question and the headline of the thread... Sorry.


    Anyways how about the military expenditure then? Thats also socialism in a way, especially the way its set up in the US.. Also defense expenditures are about equal to all social security expenditures.

    What should the money be used for if cutting "social security" for example, and is it justified to cut social security spendings without trimming the defense budget considerably?

    I mean, on a human side of this, what is more justified? spending on social security or defense(which isnt really defense anymore)..
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    Re: Which of these socialist programs should be eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Ahh, just read the poll question and the headline of the thread... Sorry.


    Anyways how about the military expenditure then? Thats also socialism in a way, especially the way its set up in the US..
    No, that's national defense.

    Socialism is the threat to the nation, not the army.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Also defense expenditures are about equal to all social security expenditures.
    But defense expenditures usually constitutional, socialist security is not constitutional.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    What should the money be used for if cutting "social security" for example,
    Paying down the debt, then cutting taxes.

    There's no particular reason why the government should be spending the people's money when the people are perfectly capable of spending it themselves if they want to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    and is it justified to cut social security spendings without trimming the defense budget considerably?
    Yes. Socialist Security should be cut by 100%. The Defense Budget should be reviewed annually and only those necessary expenditures should be made. I'd say we should have a committee looking at this, but we already do, we just need to make Congress do their job for a change.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I mean, on a human side of this, what is more justified?
    National defense.

    There is no justification for socialism.

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    Re: Which of these socialist programs should be eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    For those of you who cannot stand the idea of a national health care program because it's socialism, which of these other socialist programs do you think we should eliminate?

    If you do not choose all of them, please explain why.
    VA Hospital, SS, and Medicare are not socialist programs because you pay for medicare and SS out of your withholding and VA hospitals are for veterans who paid for them by serving their country.......What do you want to do with Veterans after they get wounded or maimed? Just throw them along side the road?
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    Re: Which of these socialist programs should be eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Regardless of whether or it advocates a %100 capitalist system, the Republican Party hasn't made an argument to justify its passion against socialism if it is willing to accept such a very high degree in so many industries.

    The question is supposed to provoke reflection among people who decry socialization or who turn popular indignation against socialization into political capital; if socialization can exist in some sense without being an abomination, then what is it about socialization that is so objectionable? The more exceptions we make the less black-and-white we can consider the issue. If you start saying these programs need to be socialized because they have a utilitarian benefit, then it is difficult to protest against any socialization which has a good chance of a utilitarian benefit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    This poll was meant for those people who object to a national health care policy SOLELY because "it's socialism". I understand that there are other legitimate reasons not to want it, but if your only reason is "socialism" then you have to explain why you agree with other forms of socialism.

    That's the hypocrisy this post was meant to address.
    Again, I'm unaware of any politicians who have said that "I oppose this healthcare bill because it's socialist and socialism is always bad in every facet of life." More commonly, the summarized argument is "I oppose this healthcare bill because it's a socialist plan that will not work in this particular area."

    Once you acknowledge the distinction between the two, the argument behind this poll becomes moot.
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    Re: Which of these socialist programs should be eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Again, I'm unaware of any politicians who have said that "I oppose this healthcare bill because it's socialist and socialism is always bad in every facet of life." More commonly, the summarized argument is "I oppose this healthcare bill because it's a socialist plan that will not work in this particular area."

    Once you acknowledge the distinction between the two, the argument behind this poll becomes moot.
    Oh come on, "Obama's a socialist" is one of the biggest rallying cries the GOP keeps saying. You can't deny that (well, not without looking silly).

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    Re: Which of these socialist programs should be eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    VA Hospital, SS, and Medicare are not socialist programs because you pay for medicare and SS out of your withholding and VA hospitals are for veterans who paid for them by serving their country.......What do you want to do with Veterans after they get wounded or maimed? Just throw them along side the road?
    No, Socailist Security is socialism, since you're not paying for your benefits, you're paying for the people in retirement now. Also, there's the element of the gun pointing at your head. If you have a job, you can't decline to pay Socialist Security, though no on will force you to sign those check when you're old and decrepit. Compulsion is another hallmark of socialism.

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    Re: Which of these socialist programs should be eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    For those of you who cannot stand the idea of a national health care program because it's socialism, which of these other socialist programs do you think we should eliminate?

    If you do not choose all of them, please explain why.
    So if we don't want socialism, we have to immediate get rid of programs ingrained into society for 60 years right? What's the elimination plan? If it's unrealistic then your thread is mere disingenuous political hackery.
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