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Do you think that Obama's "health care summit" will be a success or a sham?

Do you think that Obama's "health care summit" will be a success or a sham?

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Boomyal said:
Uh, Uh, Uh, we don't need no stinkin props at this summit! (as Canter can be barely seen behind the 5500 page pile of this excuse for a total federal takeover of our healthcare)
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Canter was kicking ass.
 
American said:
Canter was kicking ass.
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Not really that hard to do when the lying, obfuscating Libs come out to fight. Most of the time they just hide behind their kind, caring, fairness rhetoric and then refuse to debate anyone.

The liberal elite is afraid that their true motives will come to light. Once large numbers of the dumbed down rank and file liberals are allowed to devine the true motives, even they want to become 'independants'.:2razz:
 
Success? What has happened is they are forced to communicate in front of us!
That broad appeal for the commonality of our deft representative two party mongering of PICK- me , no me. Has turned off most people . I must point out the people who are in debate politics are not the majority. We are partisans most of us are engaged in ," our side politics". Think- alot of the people we know dont care. They want something done that isnt bickering. Its the main reason alot of poeople dont follow politics. They are forced to choose sides.That is exactly the reason most of us are here to cheer on our side.
AFTER WATCHING THE PRESIDENT FOR THREE HOURS.
I see that he believes in doing it even if he has to give up some key points. But no one can say he isnt out front LEADING.
 
No one's kicking ass here.

While watching this thing, it felt like a very quiet, very calm neighborhood, and everyone is sitting at their window with binoculars watching the other houses.

GOP had talking points, Dems had talking points. Every time someone said something, it ended up being a "this is what we should do" statement. No one is actually doing anything.
 
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Obama and a ton of publicity: the recipe for a huge sham. It's just a photo-op.
 
Cilogy said:
No one's kicking ass here.

While watching this thing, it felt like a very quiet, very calm neighborhood, and everyone is sitting at their window with binoculars watching the other houses.

GOP had talking points, Dems had talking points. Every time someone said something, it ended up being a "this is what we should do" statement. No one is actually doing anything.
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I mostly agree, but the Dems had a clear objective when they came in here that I think they achieved - a rationalization for reconciliation.

The White House health care summit will wrap up shortly and President Obama needs a kicker. With six and a half hours worth of conversation, Obama has yet to create the soundbite that will explain today's action to Americans who didn't spend the day glued to C-SPAN.

In his wrap-up, Obama could commit to including specific Republican proposals -- the Burr/Coburn medmal legislation comes to mind -- and put Republicans on the spot by asking for a commitment to passing the Democratic bill. When that commitment fails to materialize -- either today or down the road -- Obama will have achieved today's ultimate objective -- creating a justification for reconciliation.
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What's the kicker? - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com

Thursday’s health care summit wound down with President Barack Obama making clear he couldn’t sign on to the Republican plan for reform, wouldn’t abandon reconciliation and had no intention of scrapping his own plan – capping the six-plus-hour session with a dig at Republicans for pitching a bill that covers just a fraction of the uninsured.

“Those steps don’t get you to the place people need to go,” Obama said of the Republican plan.

Republicans said the same thing in their closing comments that they said at 10 a.m. – start over. Obama won’t.

So the parties walked out of Blair House almost exactly the way they walked in – completely at odds over the best way to fix the health insurance system. That means Democrats are almost certain to go ahead with plans to short-circuit Senate rules to try to pass the bill with a 51-vote majority, as early as next week.
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Six hours later, stalemate remains - Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com

Like I said before, I looks like it was both.
 
phattonez said:
Which part was the success?
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The dems now have (or claim to have) a more credible argument for using reconciliation.

"We tried to work with them, just look at the summit. That didn't work though, so we have to use reconciliation even though we really didn't want to. Oh well."
 
RightinNYC said:
I mostly agree, but the Dems had a clear objective when they came in here that I think they achieved - a rationalization for reconciliation.
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I think that was bound to happen, either way I'm not happy. Usually I agree with Dems more on many issues, but now I just really don't care. As long as a good bill is passed.

I mean hell, I even supported the public option, but then follows D.C. rhetoric on both sides, people fight. Senators claim "the American people want this and that."

Business as usual.

I think its interesting though, the beauty of this country is that we have such radically different views and we don't have like revolutions, anarchy, etc. at large.
 
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After a brief period of consultation following the White House health reform summit, congressional Democrats plan to begin making the case next week for a massive, Democrats-only health care plan, party strategists told POLITICO.

A Democratic official said the six-hour summit was expected to “give a face to gridlock, in the form of House and Senate Republicans.”

Democrats plan to begin rhetorical, and perhaps legislative, steps toward the Democrats-only, or reconciliation, process early next week, the strategists said.

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Democrats plan to take up the president’s comprehensive, $950 billion plan — referred to on the Hill as “the big bill.” The alternative would be a smaller — or “skinny” — bill that would provide less coverage and cost less. But that would amount to starting the complex process over.

“It’s probably the big bill or nothing,” said a top Democratic aide. “If we don’t get the big bill, I am sure some will push for a skinny bill.”
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Read more: Exclusive: What happens next in health care - Mike Allen - POLITICO.com
 
RightinNYC said:
The dems now have (or claim to have) a more credible argument for using reconciliation.

"We tried to work with them, just look at the summit. That didn't work though, so we have to use reconciliation even though we really didn't want to. Oh well."
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Well that's a success for the Democrats, but it's a sham when it comes to what were supposed to be the goals of the summit as far as they were publicly known.
 
Cilogy said:
.... No one is actually doing anything.....
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In the end, according to some wise sage (one who eludes me at the moment) this might be the very best thing.

I think it went something like this. "those who govern least, govern best"!!

Our liberal brethern should take heed to the wisdom therin.
 
Boomyal said:
In the end, according to some wise sage (one who eludes me at the moment) this might be the very best thing.

I think it went something like this. "those who govern least, govern best"!!

Our liberal brethern should take heed to the wisdom therin.
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I agree, we should set up a system where the government is not in control. A system where us American citizens should somehow take some kind of polls or votes to "elect" representatives to govern ourselves, and we shall call it a demo- ...

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This is what really happened at the healthcare summit today:

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As long as there going reconciliation they might as reconcile a decent plan instead of the load of s*** this bill is.:(
 
donc said:
As long as there going reconciliation they might as reconcile a decent plan instead of the load of s*** this bill is.:(
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Ayyye, it doesn't matter. Instead of Democrats getting kicked out for a good reason and the Republican party changing in response, the Democrats are going to get kicked out for their own stupidity and so Republicans won't change. We'll have bad party #1 and bad party #2. It blows.
 
I am proud to live in a nation where such a substantive and free-wheeling conversation can take place in public among our political leaders.

And, I am proud to have such a intelligent and well informed national leader, President Barack Obama.

God bless America!
 
As I said in the other thread, the only way for a bipartisan meeting like this to be effective is if true bipartisanship is the intention of this administration, which it is not. This is just a cheap ploy to present the image of bipartisanship after the President's post-partisan image has been sullied by his own failures to meet the standards he presented for himself during the campaign, such as his repeated comments to air all debates on health care on C-SPAN.

This health care bill is going down in flames not because of the Republican opposition, but because of the American people. American people, despite the Left's belief, are too smart to accept naked socialism because its chief propagator has a black face and can read a decent speech. The Left has tried to race card to silence debate, they've tried attacking the character of those expressing dissent, they've even tried to ostracize and demonize media outlets, like FOX and Talk Radio, for being against this socialistic plot.

Liberals simply do not get that the American people are not buying this massive takeover of government. However, whether they like it or not, the Democrats will learn how badly they have overreached come November this year in the mid-term elections, as well as in 2012 when Obama is catastrophically defeated in the next general election.
 
I like the fact that the GOP is saying "no mandate" because that was a big thing that annoyed me about the Dem plan.
 
K-1 said:
.......as well as in 2012 when Obama is catastrophically defeated in the next general election.
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If things continue as they have been, HE would have to have an awful big pair to even considering running!!

You think Carter got slammed? Hold on to your britches!
 
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Cilogy said:
I like the fact that the GOP is saying "no mandate" because that was a big thing that annoyed me about the Dem plan.
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Of course, you know that the mandate was originally a Republican proposal, right? :2wave:
 
K-1 said:
As I said in the other thread, the only way for a bipartisan meeting like this to be effective is if true bipartisanship is the intention of this administration, which it is not. This is just a cheap ploy to present the image of bipartisanship after the President's post-partisan image has been sullied by his own failures to meet the standards he presented for himself during the campaign, such as his repeated comments to air all debates on health care on C-SPAN.

This health care bill is going down in flames not because of the Republican opposition, but because of the American people. American people, despite the Left's belief, are too smart to accept naked socialism because its chief propagator has a black face and can read a decent speech. The Left has tried to race card to silence debate, they've tried attacking the character of those expressing dissent, they've even tried to ostracize and demonize media outlets, like FOX and Talk Radio, for being against this socialistic plot.

Liberals simply do not get that the American people are not buying this massive takeover of government. However, whether they like it or not, the Democrats will learn how badly they have overreached come November this year in the mid-term elections, as well as in 2012 when Obama is catastrophically defeated in the next general election.
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The American people don’t want this so-called bill.Put something in front of them like a single payer and the approval will go up. Hell, when the polling was done with a lame a** public option it was up in the high sixties.
 
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Chappy said:
Of course, you know that the mandate was originally a Republican proposal, right? :2wave:
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Back in the 80's, it was a Republican alternative to the Dem push for universal government-run coverage. The fact that they saw it as the less-bad alternative then doesn't mean that it's something that they have to support now.
 
Chappy said:
I am proud to live in a nation where such a substantive and free-wheeling conversation can take place in public among our political leaders.

And, I am proud to have such a intelligent and well informed national leader, President Barack Obama.

God bless America!
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:rofl, yeah, that's what this was. :roll:
 
Chappy said:
I am proud to live in a nation where such a substantive and free-wheeling conversation can take place in public among our political leaders.

And, I am proud to have such a intelligent and well informed national leader, President Barack Obama.

God bless America!
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This is either sarcasm, or the publicity stunt is working.
 
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