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    Re: Do you think that Obama's "health care summit" will be a success or a sham?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    No one's kicking ass here.

    While watching this thing, it felt like a very quiet, very calm neighborhood, and everyone is sitting at their window with binoculars watching the other houses.

    GOP had talking points, Dems had talking points. Every time someone said something, it ended up being a "this is what we should do" statement. No one is actually doing anything.
    I mostly agree, but the Dems had a clear objective when they came in here that I think they achieved - a rationalization for reconciliation.

    The White House health care summit will wrap up shortly and President Obama needs a kicker. With six and a half hours worth of conversation, Obama has yet to create the soundbite that will explain today's action to Americans who didn't spend the day glued to C-SPAN.

    In his wrap-up, Obama could commit to including specific Republican proposals -- the Burr/Coburn medmal legislation comes to mind -- and put Republicans on the spot by asking for a commitment to passing the Democratic bill. When that commitment fails to materialize -- either today or down the road -- Obama will have achieved today's ultimate objective -- creating a justification for reconciliation.
    What's the kicker? - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com

    Thursday’s health care summit wound down with President Barack Obama making clear he couldn’t sign on to the Republican plan for reform, wouldn’t abandon reconciliation and had no intention of scrapping his own plan – capping the six-plus-hour session with a dig at Republicans for pitching a bill that covers just a fraction of the uninsured.

    “Those steps don’t get you to the place people need to go,” Obama said of the Republican plan.

    Republicans said the same thing in their closing comments that they said at 10 a.m. – start over. Obama won’t.

    So the parties walked out of Blair House almost exactly the way they walked in – completely at odds over the best way to fix the health insurance system. That means Democrats are almost certain to go ahead with plans to short-circuit Senate rules to try to pass the bill with a 51-vote majority, as early as next week.
    Six hours later, stalemate remains - Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com

    Like I said before, I looks like it was both.
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    Re: Do you think that Obama's "health care summit" will be a success or a sham?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Like I said before, I looks like it was both.
    Which part was the success?

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    Re: Do you think that Obama's "health care summit" will be a success or a sham?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Which part was the success?
    The dems now have (or claim to have) a more credible argument for using reconciliation.

    "We tried to work with them, just look at the summit. That didn't work though, so we have to use reconciliation even though we really didn't want to. Oh well."
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    Re: Do you think that Obama's "health care summit" will be a success or a sham?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I mostly agree, but the Dems had a clear objective when they came in here that I think they achieved - a rationalization for reconciliation.
    I think that was bound to happen, either way I'm not happy. Usually I agree with Dems more on many issues, but now I just really don't care. As long as a good bill is passed.

    I mean hell, I even supported the public option, but then follows D.C. rhetoric on both sides, people fight. Senators claim "the American people want this and that."

    Business as usual.

    I think its interesting though, the beauty of this country is that we have such radically different views and we don't have like revolutions, anarchy, etc. at large.
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    Re: Do you think that Obama's "health care summit" will be a success or a sham?

    After a brief period of consultation following the White House health reform summit, congressional Democrats plan to begin making the case next week for a massive, Democrats-only health care plan, party strategists told POLITICO.

    A Democratic official said the six-hour summit was expected to “give a face to gridlock, in the form of House and Senate Republicans.”

    Democrats plan to begin rhetorical, and perhaps legislative, steps toward the Democrats-only, or reconciliation, process early next week, the strategists said.

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    Democrats plan to take up the president’s comprehensive, $950 billion plan — referred to on the Hill as “the big bill.” The alternative would be a smaller — or “skinny” — bill that would provide less coverage and cost less. But that would amount to starting the complex process over.

    “It’s probably the big bill or nothing,” said a top Democratic aide. “If we don’t get the big bill, I am sure some will push for a skinny bill.”
    Read more: Exclusive: What happens next in health care - Mike Allen - POLITICO.com
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    Re: Do you think that Obama's "health care summit" will be a success or a sham?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The dems now have (or claim to have) a more credible argument for using reconciliation.

    "We tried to work with them, just look at the summit. That didn't work though, so we have to use reconciliation even though we really didn't want to. Oh well."
    Well that's a success for the Democrats, but it's a sham when it comes to what were supposed to be the goals of the summit as far as they were publicly known.

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    Re: Do you think that Obama's "health care summit" will be a success or a sham?

    How soon we forget.
    Breitbart.tv Obama & Dems in ‘05: 51 Vote ‘Nuclear Option’ Is ‘Arrogant’ Power Grab Against the Founders’ Intent

    Seems the Dems in 2005 thought the 51 vote to push legislation through by Repubs was a power grab and against the founding fathers intent. If Congress succeeds, I hope it is a good Bill. They should heed the doctors, "first do no harm".
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    Re: Do you think that Obama's "health care summit" will be a success or a sham?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    .... No one is actually doing anything.....
    In the end, according to some wise sage (one who eludes me at the moment) this might be the very best thing.

    I think it went something like this. "those who govern least, govern best"!!

    Our liberal brethern should take heed to the wisdom therin.

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    Re: Do you think that Obama's "health care summit" will be a success or a sham?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boomyal View Post
    In the end, according to some wise sage (one who eludes me at the moment) this might be the very best thing.

    I think it went something like this. "those who govern least, govern best"!!

    Our liberal brethern should take heed to the wisdom therin.
    I agree, we should set up a system where the government is not in control. A system where us American citizens should somehow take some kind of polls or votes to "elect" representatives to govern ourselves, and we shall call it a demo- ...




    This is what really happened at the healthcare summit today:



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    Re: Do you think that Obama's "health care summit" will be a success or a sham?

    As long as there going reconciliation they might as reconcile a decent plan instead of the load of s*** this bill is.
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