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    Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    As the VA is a socialized medical system where the state owns the hospitals, employs the doctors and controls the medical procedures, it is therefore evil and must be eliminated.

    Furthermore, all politicians who voted for increasing funding to the Evil that is VA should be booted from office. Which includes Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner and Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnell, both of which, amusingly have stated opposition to Obama's plan partly due to its "socialism."

    GovTrack: House Vote On Passage: H.R. 1016: Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act of 2009
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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    This is a good question that goes right to the heart of the matter I think. Is it inconsistent for people to oppose certain forms of socialism but accept others?

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    This is a good question that goes right to the heart of the matter I think. Is it inconsistent for people to oppose certain forms of socialism but accept others?
    I don't think so. It's entirely reasonable to accept that the VA serves a particular purpose and isn't likely to change, but still be opposed to a larger health reform proposal that would operate in a substantially different fashion. That doesn't mean that the VA is objectively a good thing or a model for a single-payer system, but simply that it is what it is.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    How exactly do you figure that the VA is socialized medicine? Lifetime healthcare is one of the perks offered to soldiers who accept low pay, insane working conditions, extended deployments, and risk to life and limb. Only an idiotic troll would make such a comparison.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    I can see the VA continuing to be part of the Defense Budget which would plan for and care for existing and former vets and provide for their health and pensions. That's constitutionally supported and arguably, part of the only portion of Government which MUST be cared for.

    That said, if our health care system was to truly transform and be effective, competitive and unlike the current abortive mass of Democratic bills in Congress, was part of a plan to reduce health care costs, a separate VA may not be needed for health care services and could be possibly rolled up into the new national health care plan. But we cannot get past the ideological and progressive plan to force health care theft being pushed upon us, so the thought that the VA could be rolled up into a cost effective national health care update is scient fiction.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    How exactly do you figure that the VA is socialized medicine? Lifetime healthcare is one of the perks offered to soldiers who accept low pay, insane working conditions, extended deployments, and risk to life and limb. Only an idiotic troll would make such a comparison.
    The rationale for its existence has nothing to do with the nature of its organization.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    It's not evil, it's just sub-standard relative to what many citizens expect.
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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    If the state owns the VA hospitals, why isn't the state of Colorado being sued instead of the federal government?

    Federal Government Sued After Colorado Veterans Hospital Leaves Clamp In Man's Body

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    As the VA is a socialized medical system where the state owns the hospitals, employs the doctors and controls the medical procedures, it is therefore evil and must be eliminated.

    Furthermore, all politicians who voted for increasing funding to the Evil that is VA should be booted from office. Which includes Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner and Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnell, both of which, amusingly have stated opposition to Obama's plan partly due to its "socialism."

    GovTrack: House Vote On Passage: H.R. 1016: Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act of 2009
    It's a socialized medical system for an exclusive club, those who gave of themselves to defend this country. Notice, it's not for everybody.

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