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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So the rationale there is the VA deserves the best? And socialized medicine is the best we can offer them.

    Makes sense to me.
    In theory since our troops make the ultimate sacrifice they should get top care. This is also the case in most jobs, my father is a IBEW Electrician has a much better insurance policy than I do because of the dangerous work my father does compared to me in which I run an electronics store.
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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Medical professionals who work at the VA tend to do so because they love to help veterans, not for profit or whatever.
    The nurses and respiratory therapists I know who work for the VA do it because the pay and benifits are better than most private hospitals. The VA is a very difficult medical entity/facilities to work for. There are a couple of really nice VA facilities that I am familair with, but most of the veterans I know personally (and there are many because I am of the Vietnam war era) hate the VA system. The care ranges from adequate to very good depending on individual circumstances. The bureaucracy is a nightmare of inefficiency.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The VA has had some problems which have gotten a lot of publicity, but I think it is no worse, and possibly better than the medical care nonvets get.
    Again, I personally have no problem with the "care". It's the system that sucks to deal with.
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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    In theory since our troops make the ultimate sacrifice they should get top care. This is also the case in most jobs, my father is a IBEW Electrician has a much better insurance policy than I do because of the dangerous work my father does compared to me in which I run an electronics store.
    What ultimate sacrifice? If you're dead you're not receiving the benefits of VA.
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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    In theory since our troops make the ultimate sacrifice they should get top care.
    I agree all our servicemen should get top care, its why I am proud that:

    "the budget the president submitted includes the largest single-year percentage increase in VA funding in three decades."
    Veterans Day - First Lady Notes VA's Road of Change - Military.com

    Is it enough? No, however the largest single-year increase in three decades, is better than we have done by our servicemen even in boom times under Republican control.
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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    In theory since our troops make the ultimate sacrifice they should get top care. This is also the case in most jobs, my father is a IBEW Electrician has a much better insurance policy than I do because of the dangerous work my father does compared to me in which I run an electronics store.
    No.

    A goonion member has better insurance because his mob could extort same from employer who was forbidden by law from replacing people who refused to work.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No.

    A goonion member has better insurance because his mob could extort same from employer who was forbidden by law from replacing people who refused to work.
    Yea my father who served in Vietnam is the same league as a blood or a crip. Go **** yourself asshole.
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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    How ambiguous. How is healthcare not a right?
    No one has a "right" to steal money from someone else to pay their doctor's bills.

    That's how it's not a right.

    Duh.

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    And why would a veteran deserve extended healthcare over a normal citizen, they get paid a wage. Let it come out of their wages.
    Because the veteran did something the "average citizen" refused to do, risk his life in defense of the nation.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Absolutely, and without a doubt they deserve this.

    That doesn't suddenly make it not socialism. It just happens to be socialism you agree with.
    Yeah, what makes it not socialism is the fact that the money isn't being stolen to provide unearned benefits, but it in fact part of the debt the government owes former employees who performed a Constitutionally valid and specifically dangerous service.

    I swear, people who never wore the nation's uniform want to pretend they too deserve the honors of those of us who did.

    Well, you didn't ****ing earn it, buddy.

    Earning.

    That's why it's not socialism.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So the rationale there is the VA deserves the best? And socialized medicine is the best we can offer them.

    Makes sense to me.
    If socialized medicine is the best you can offer someone, wouldn't be easier and cheaper and more expressive of your opinion of them to kick them in the balls, twice?

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Yea my father who served in Vietnam is the same league as a blood or a crip. Go **** yourself asshole.
    Ah, someone living in denial of what goonion history in America is.

    It's extortion.

    It's monopoly control of violence and labor.

    It's denial of property rights.

    It's unjust.

    It's extremism.

    Goonions run California. Doing a nice job, aren't they?

    I saw a story today about how the state of Illinois is going to have to cut government jobs to avoid budget shortfalls. The goonions are having none of that. (Study what caused the financial collapse in Greece. Greedy goonions played a major role.)

    So, you want to pretend goonions are good, and you're just jealous because you aren't in one. Fine for you.

    You spend any time serving in the nation's uniform? Then don't be rude to those of us that did.

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