View Poll Results: The VA should be eliminated because it's Socialized Medicine which is Evil

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    I never knew I could make up my own definitions of words!

    Ok, OK... I'm going to define "conservativism" as "selfishness to the point of delusion!"

    This is fun! Why, by defining words the way I want, I can claim that anything is or is not included by their definition!

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    How ambiguous. How is healthcare not a right? Don't they treat everyone that comes to a hospital for care? Maybe they should have american patriots at the doors to turn people away that don't have insurance so people can go die in ditches.

    And why would a veteran deserve extended healthcare over a normal citizen, they get paid a wage. Let it come out of their wages.
    A lot of them gave their lives for your freedom so you can berate them here in English rather than German or Japanese.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    A lot of them gave their lives for your freedom so you can berate them here in English rather than German or Japanese.

    Absolutely, and without a doubt they deserve this.

    That doesn't suddenly make it not socialism. It just happens to be socialism you agree with.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Absolutely, and without a doubt they deserve this.

    That doesn't suddenly make it not socialism. It just happens to be socialism you agree with.
    We're on the same page, Groucho, but it tends to be lousy medical care. Our law makers need to look long and hard at how our vets are treated when they seek to pass health care legislation because that could be a foretelling on how medical care will be for all Americans, not just veterans.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    How ambiguous. How is healthcare not a right? Don't they treat everyone that comes to a hospital for care? Maybe they should have American patriots at the doors to turn people away that don't have insurance so people can go die in ditches.
    Absurdity.
    Health care is a privilege, not a right.
    And why on earth would anyone suggest that which you state here?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    And why would a veteran deserve extended healthcare over a normal citizen, they get paid a wage. Let it come out of their wages.
    Their wages are absurdly low for the job they do.

    And VA care should, if it is not already, be considered part of their "wage" package.

    Much like employers who offer/offered health care benefit packages to their employees that extended after retirement.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    We're on the same page, Groucho, but it tends to be lousy medical care. Our law makers need to look long and hard at how our vets are treated when they seek to pass health care legislation because that could be a foretelling on how medical care will be for all Americans, not just veterans.
    No, not all Americans. No one has suggested a plan that would force people to use government health care only.

    That's why I like the public option; you don't have to use the government plan. If you like your current plan, no one will force you to leave it. (In fact, those veterans who have health care plans of their own aren't required to use the VA hospitals either.)

    There may be some public hospitals that are not as good as private ones -- just like there are public schools that aren't as good as private ones -- but like the education system, no one will be required to go to public school if they'd rather go private and can afford it.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Taking care of our armed forces is a legitimate power of the Federal Government.
    So the rationale there is the VA deserves the best? And socialized medicine is the best we can offer them.

    Makes sense to me.
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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Doesn't mean it's socialism.

    Socialism is theft to provide unearned benefits to others.

    The veterans earned their reward.
    I earned Govt. run health care?

    Wow thanks.

    At least the old folks get to choose where they go.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    If the state owns the VA hospitals, why isn't the state of Colorado being sued instead of the federal government?

    Federal Government Sued After Colorado Veterans Hospital Leaves Clamp In Man's Body
    Because it is called the United States Department of Veteran's Affairs.
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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    The reason the VA needs to be overhauled or replaced isn't because it's "socialist". (it isn't socialist) It's because the men and women who agreed to dedicated part or most of their lives in service to our country deserve GREAT medical care for the rest of their lives. That is one of the boons for military service. (hence why it's not socialist) The VA is not great medical care, and that is the only reason it needs to be replaced/overhauled. It needs to be replaced with something that IS great medical care for our vets.
    Tell us all what socialism is. Then tell us who controls the means of production and allocation of resources in the USDVA. Notice the part I put in bold. It should give you a huge clue.
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