View Poll Results: The VA should be eliminated because it's Socialized Medicine which is Evil

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    For the record...Ive consistently opted for ALL, at least at a federal level. If the states choose to provide those service and the levels they choose...that is their decision.
    Wouldn't it still be socialism? Just because a state government provides it instead of a federal government...

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    It is a benefit that was promised soldiers. As a benefit it is no different than a civilian business offering a retirement program. And dont think for a second those soldiers didnt PAY for it. If the government didnt want to institute a VA, most soldiers I know would have been more than happy to recieve better pay during their active duty career...especially in light of the fact that very FEW vets (relatively) USE the VA. The VA is an option for Vets that received a disability while on active duty. The rank and file do not recieve Vet hospital benefits.
    Yeah, I got all that [random rant unecessary]

    ...but it's run by the Govt. Is it not?

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    The reason the VA needs to be overhauled or replaced isn't because it's "socialist". (it isn't socialist) It's because the men and women who agreed to dedicated part or most of their lives in service to our country deserve GREAT medical care for the rest of their lives. That is one of the boons for military service. (hence why it's not socialist) The VA is not great medical care, and that is the only reason it needs to be replaced/overhauled. It needs to be replaced with something that IS great medical care for our vets.
    I have seen no real evidence that the VA does not provide quality care, and much evidence that it does. Medical professionals who work at the VA tend to do so because they love to help veterans, not for profit or whatever. I have seen VA people go way out of their way to help veterans, going well beyond what you would get from a regular doctor.

    The VA has had some problems which have gotten a lot of publicity, but I think it is no worse, and possibly better than the medical care nonvets get.
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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Sounds great until you extrapolate costs from the VA (which often isn't even a terribly large percentage of most veteran's health care costs) to every US citizen
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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The VA model includes the fact that the benefits are EARNED by service to country. If the rest of the citizens want the benefits, they should earn them. of course....
    Absolutely, via either a tax increase or "insurance" premiums...to our government.
    I am saying that its a good idea to have the VA model for all our people....Naturally, some adjustments would be necessary.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Yeah, I got all that [random rant unecessary]

    ...but it's run by the Govt. Is it not?

    It's not socialism if they agree with it! (See also: public education)

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Option 3a: You enjoy pointing out what you consider inconsistent beliefs.
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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Yeah, I got all that [random rant unecessary]

    ...but it's run by the Govt. Is it not?
    Doesn't mean it's socialism.

    Socialism is theft to provide unearned benefits to others.

    The veterans earned their reward.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    am saying that its a good idea to have the VA model for all our people....Naturally, some adjustments would be necessary.
    The VA model sucks precisely because it is government run.

    That slight adjustment you're talking about before it's applied to the whole country? That's the elimination of the part that makes the VA so bad, the government control.

    Y'all should stop looking to government to fix problems the government has caused. Y'all should start seeing that the government is the problem, not the solution for practically every problem facing the US that doesn't involve warfare.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Doesn't mean it's socialism.

    Socialism is theft to provide unearned benefits to others.

    The veterans earned their reward.
    How ambiguous. How is healthcare not a right? Don't they treat everyone that comes to a hospital for care? Maybe they should have american patriots at the doors to turn people away that don't have insurance so people can go die in ditches.

    And why would a veteran deserve extended healthcare over a normal citizen, they get paid a wage. Let it come out of their wages.

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