View Poll Results: The VA should be eliminated because it's Socialized Medicine which is Evil

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    How exactly do you figure that the VA is socialized medicine? Lifetime healthcare is one of the perks offered to soldiers who accept low pay, insane working conditions, extended deployments, and risk to life and limb. Only an idiotic troll would make such a comparison.
    It's government run health care.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    The reason the VA needs to be overhauled or replaced isn't because it's "socialist". (it isn't socialist) It's because the men and women who agreed to dedicated part or most of their lives in service to our country deserve GREAT medical care for the rest of their lives. That is one of the boons for military service. (hence why it's not socialist) The VA is not great medical care, and that is the only reason it needs to be replaced/overhauled. It needs to be replaced with something that IS great medical care for our vets.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    A better analogy would be medicare for seniors. I haven't seen too many Republicans moving to get rid of that, and that is without a doubt socialism.

    Of course there are many other forms of socialism they also don't seem to object to: public education and fire departments to name two obvious examples.

    If you have trouble with a national health care policy, that's fine -- but you should at least be consistent and not a hypocrite. Either object to ALL socialism or stop using the fact that it is socialism as an argument against it.
    I basically agree because for years, I have been paying into Medicare, without my permission, yet I can't qualify for Medicare. My payment is there mainly to cover all the other seniors who are eligible.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    You know I have checked who voted and how they voted, and there are 5 who disagree about eliminating the VA, yet I only see 4 names. Is there an invisible player here?

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    An automatic response to be expected from the Scarecrow...
    Yes, when socialists deliberately try to confuse something that isn't socialism with socialism to promote socialism, I speak up about their lies and misconceptions.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Scenario...
    A man breaks his leg and pays one pig to have it set...
    No problem.
    See? That's the socialist solution.

    In my world, the man would pay the doctor, not the pig.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    A better analogy would be medicare for seniors. I haven't seen too many Republicans moving to get rid of that, and that is without a doubt socialism.

    Of course there are many other forms of socialism they also don't seem to object to: public education and fire departments to name two obvious examples.
    I object to all of the above.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    The reason the VA needs to be overhauled or replaced isn't because it's "socialist". (it isn't socialist) It's because the men and women who agreed to dedicated part or most of their lives in service to our country deserve GREAT medical care for the rest of their lives. That is one of the boons for military service. (hence why it's not socialist) The VA is not great medical care, and that is the only reason it needs to be replaced/overhauled. It needs to be replaced with something that IS great medical care for our vets.

    Don't know about "great", but they deserve a level of quality comparable to what everyday Americans with jobs get, not the third world crap treatment one naturally expects from a government program.

    Given the example of the VA and only a fool would want the government running all the nation's health care industry. Is it any wonder they voted for Obama?

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    It?
    Define.
    You first, as I was responding to your comment when you wrote this:

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm
    Its not really inconsistant, its logical or intelligent.
    Something the tea-bagging conservatives cannot come to grips with.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm
    I talking about reasoning and thinking.
    Am I partisan?
    .. maybe..
    I'm taking about reconciling the issue of socialized VA vs. non-socialized VA. I didn't seem to have a problem. Whether your partisan or not - we're all partisan and biased to a certain extent, so that's irrelevant in this case.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    A better analogy would be medicare for seniors. I haven't seen too many Republicans moving to get rid of that, and that is without a doubt socialism.

    Of course there are many other forms of socialism they also don't seem to object to: public education and fire departments to name two obvious examples.

    If you have trouble with a national health care policy, that's fine -- but you should at least be consistent and not a hypocrite. Either object to ALL socialism or stop using the fact that it is socialism as an argument against it.
    For the record...Ive consistently opted for ALL, at least at a federal level. If the states choose to provide those service and the levels they choose...that is their decision.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    It's government run health care.
    It is a benefit that was promised soldiers. As a benefit it is no different than a civilian business offering a retirement program. And dont think for a second those soldiers didnt PAY for it. If the government didnt want to institute a VA, most soldiers I know would have been more than happy to recieve better pay during their active duty career...especially in light of the fact that very FEW vets (relatively) USE the VA. The VA is an option for Vets that received a disability while on active duty. The rank and file do not recieve Vet hospital benefits.

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