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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Because it would be pretty foolish to automatically assume that the VA's model would work on the general populace. I would wager that the average veteran's necessary care is not particularly representative of the average citizen's necessary care. Furthermore, the VA operates by hiring its own doctors to perform procedures and by then indemnifying them from suit. That doesn't really work in the broader context. Finally, VA patients do not receive all of their care through the VA - they use private insurers and Medicare to cover certain procedures.




    Cute.
    Grayson said it better. Cute in this case = boring and unoriginal.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    What we have now does not work that well.
    Agree?
    Yes. The government is involved. That's why it isn't working.

    That being the case, more government is feeding the tumor growth hormones.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The VA model strikes me as better, I have been fortuniate to have had partial coverage from the Blues and Travelers Insurance(Grumman Aircraft), but these are very expensive and not efficient.
    The paperwork is staggering.

    Not "cute", intended to be mean.

    I am disgusted with those will do nothing, but criticize and comdemn..
    What I propose is not the best, not perfect, but it is an improvement.
    Do you think for one minute that our Constitution was a perfect piece of work when first proposed?
    But, at least our founding fathers were willing to work. Which is a hell of a lot more than what can be said for todays rodent infested Congress.
    The VA system sucks.

    Implementing that model on a national scale will suck on a national scale.

    That's all it will do.

    Since nationalized health care isn't constitutional, why aren't you people seeking constitutional options?

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Im a tea bagging conservative who came to grips with it on the first page. So this wasn't a real issue just another partisan troll post is that it?
    It?
    Define.
    I talking about reasoning and thinking.
    Am I partisan?
    .. maybe..

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Being a voice of reason isn't fitting, Lizzie. You have to be extreme and blatantly partisan, so people will respond to you.

    Hah!
    Thanks- I'll try to keep that in mind.
    Yes, socialized medicine is evil, and all evil must be eradicated, thus the VA must be eliminated. Now. Get it done already. We need to get God in the medical system.
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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    What we have now does not work that well.
    Agree?
    Depends on your perspective. We have a system whereby 90% of people have health insurance. That includes all of the elderly, all of the truly poor, and all children (up to a certain income level, after which it's the parents responsibility). Despite the fact that our country is comprised primarily of entitled and obese people, that care is quite good. Finally, despite the fact that our culture is revulsed by the thought of quite sensible cost controls such as NICE, our costs are not extraordinarily high (after adjusting for our obesity).

    All of that is irrelevant though, because the question is not "does this system work," it's "is this proposal better?"

    The VA model strikes me as better, I have been fortuniate to have had partial coverage from the Blues and Travelers Insurance(Grumman Aircraft), but these are very expensive and not efficient.
    The paperwork is staggering.
    You're basing your support for a fundamentally different system of health care delivery on the fact that you're unhappy with the cost/convenience of your current care. Setting aside the fact that I very much doubt your up front costs come close to covering actual expenses, that's not a very good basis for supporting a change.

    Not "cute", intended to be mean.

    I am disgusted with those will do nothing, but criticize and comdemn..
    What I propose is not the best, not perfect, but it is an improvement.
    Do you think for one minute that our Constitution was a perfect piece of work when first proposed?
    But, at least our founding fathers were willing to work. Which is a hell of a lot more than what can be said for todays rodent infested Congress.
    Again, saying that something is an improvement is not the same as it actually being an improvement. Our founders structured Congress the way they did so as to keep uninformed public opinion from ruling the day.
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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes. The government is involved. That's why it isn't working.

    That being the case, more government is feeding the tumor growth hormones.



    The VA system sucks.

    Implementing that model on a national scale will suck on a national scale.

    That's all it will do.

    Since nationalized health care isn't constitutional, why aren't you people seeking constitutional options?
    An automatic response to be expected from the Scarecrow...
    Someone who thinks that health care should revert to the days when our Constitution was written....
    And, here I agree with Akhbar, to an extent.!
    Scenario...
    A man breaks his leg and pays one pig to have it set...
    No problem.
    But if the man has no pig, then what ?
    tough....
    But today, things are different.
    And,it looks like a Constitution Amendment may be necessary, to placate the conservatives.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Because we don't need socialized medicine, or even medicine infected with socialism in this country.

    We need a free market.
    Free, yes, but not totally unbridled like Wall Street....
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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The rationale for its existence has nothing to do with the nature of its organization.

    Please don't call people names.
    Blah blah. Blah blah blah blah. Blah, blah blah blah , blah. Blah, blah blah balh BLAH blah blah.

    Blah blah.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Im a tea bagging conservative who came to grips with it on the first page. So this wasn't a real issue just another partisan troll post is that it?
    Please dont call people names...

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    A better analogy would be medicare for seniors. I haven't seen too many Republicans moving to get rid of that, and that is without a doubt socialism.

    Of course there are many other forms of socialism they also don't seem to object to: public education and fire departments to name two obvious examples.

    If you have trouble with a national health care policy, that's fine -- but you should at least be consistent and not a hypocrite. Either object to ALL socialism or stop using the fact that it is socialism as an argument against it.

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