View Poll Results: The VA should be eliminated because it's Socialized Medicine which is Evil

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's not evil, it's just sub-standard relative to what many citizens expect.
    Being a voice of reason isn't fitting, Lizzie. You have to be extreme and blatantly partisan, so people will respond to you.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    This is a good question that goes right to the heart of the matter I think. Is it inconsistent for people to oppose certain forms of socialism but accept others?
    Its not really inconsistant, its logical or intelligent.
    Something the tea-bagging conservatives cannot come to grips with.
    Medicine should be at least semi-socialized.
    The VA costs are affordable for me.
    My poll answer was sourastic...forgive the pspelling..

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I don't think so. It's entirely reasonable to accept that the VA serves a particular purpose and isn't likely to change, but still be opposed to a larger health reform proposal that would operate in a substantially different fashion. That doesn't mean that the VA is objectively a good thing or a model for a single-payer system, but simply that it is what it is.

    If every politician who is reluctant to cut a popular program despite thinking it makes sense is a coward, then we've got a whole lot of cowards in DC.Few will dispute this.
    Why not use the VA as a model for semi-socialized medicine?.
    Completely leave the conservatives out of this equasion, their thinking, such as it is, is based on ignorance and fear.
    I feel this socialized medicine/health care is the wave of the future....We'll just have to wait for our conservatives to die off and be replace with something better, I hope.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Why not use the VA as a model for semi-socialized medicine?
    Because it would be pretty foolish to automatically assume that the VA's model would work on the general populace. I would wager that the average veteran's necessary care is not particularly representative of the average citizen's necessary care. Furthermore, the VA operates by hiring its own doctors to perform procedures and by then indemnifying them from suit. That doesn't really work in the broader context. Finally, VA patients do not receive all of their care through the VA - they use private insurers and Medicare to cover certain procedures.


    Completely leave the conservatives out of this equasion, their thinking, such as it is, is based on ignorance and fear.
    I feel this socialized medicine/health care is the wave of the future....We'll just have to wait for our conservatives to die off and be replace with something better, I hope.
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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    The VA is that government organization established to implement the contracts the government made with it's military servicemen.

    As such, it is not socialism.

    It's actually a real obligation of the people.

    People that don't want to support the men who protected their freedom still have the freedom to move to Cuba or Chavez-Land.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    This is a good question that goes right to the heart of the matter I think. Is it inconsistent for people to oppose certain forms of socialism but accept others?
    Since the VA isn't socialism, you're missing the heart of the matter.

    Socialism is the theft of wealth to provide unearned benefits to others.

    Notice the use of the word "unearned" in the preceding sentence.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Why not use the VA as a model for semi-socialized medicine?.
    Completely leave the conservatives out of this equasion, their thinking, such as it is, is based on ignorance and fear.
    I feel this socialized medicine/health care is the wave of the future....We'll just have to wait for our conservatives to die off and be replace with something better, I hope.
    The VA model includes the fact that the benefits are EARNED by service to country. If the rest of the citizens want the benefits, they should earn them...
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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Its not really inconsistant, its logical or intelligent.
    Something the tea-bagging conservatives cannot come to grips with.
    Medicine should be at least semi-socialized.
    The VA costs are affordable for me.
    My poll answer was sourastic...forgive the pspelling..
    Im a tea bagging conservative who came to grips with it on the first page. So this wasn't a real issue just another partisan troll post is that it?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Because it would be pretty foolish to automatically assume that the VA's model would work on the general populace. I would wager that the average veteran's necessary care is not particularly representative of the average citizen's necessary care.True, but health care is health care Furthermore, the VA operates by hiring its own doctors to perform procedures and by then indemnifying them from suit. ... meaning? That doesn't really work in the broader context. Finally, VA patients do not receive all of their care through the VA - they use private insurers and Medicare to cover certain procedures.
    That option should continue.






    Cute.
    What we have now does not work that well.
    Agree?
    The VA model strikes me as better, I have been fortuniate to have had partial coverage from the Blues and Travelers Insurance(Grumman Aircraft), but these are very expensive and not efficient.
    The paperwork is staggering.

    Not "cute", intended to be mean.

    I am disgusted with those will do nothing, but criticize and comdemn..
    What I propose is not the best, not perfect, but it is an improvement.
    Do you think for one minute that our Constitution was a perfect piece of work when first proposed?
    But, at least our founding fathers were willing to work. Which is a hell of a lot more than what can be said for todays rodent infested Congress.

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    Re: Socialized Medicine is Evil, therefore the VA should be eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Why not use the VA as a model for semi-socialized medicine?.
    Because we don't need socialized medicine, or even medicine infected with socialism in this country.

    We need a free market.

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