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    Social/Ethical issues should be decided by...

    Should social/ethical issues be decided by the states or by the federal government? Should states make laws in regards to abortion, gay marriage, the legalization of certain drugs, and other issues of the like? Or should the federal government make the laws and force all the states to comply?

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    Re: Social/Ethical issues should be decided by...

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Should social/ethical issues be decided by the states or by the federal government? Should states make laws in regards to abortion, gay marriage, the legalization of certain drugs, and other issues of the like? Or should the federal government make the laws and force all the states to comply?
    I would have to go with the third option.

    In my mind, that would mean a set of basic guidelines on the federal level, with the states then having the option to expand on those, and perhaps set the standards within them.
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    Re: Social/Ethical issues should be decided by...

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Should social/ethical issues be decided by the states or by the federal government? Should states make laws in regards to abortion, gay marriage, the legalization of certain drugs, and other issues of the like? Or should the federal government make the laws and force all the states to comply?
    It should obviously be a mixture of the two, because of the vast array of social issues. However, if you ask where most of the issues should be decided, I would say the states.

    On a real technical level, the federal government is needed to supply services that could not efficiently be provided by the states, or for services where it is inefficient for the states to run them because of externalities.

    Besides that, the more services at the local level the better because of different preferences people have for policies.

    and with that said... since social policies normally do not have economics of scale or externalities, the state level, or even the local level should decide most of them.


    It is just important to remember that if something is considered a "right" by a vast majority of people, such as not being a slave... then the federal government needs to enforce a certain ruling on that.

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    Re: Social/Ethical issues should be decided by...

    Depends on the issue.

    It's unethical to print your own money.

    The Constitution grants the Federal government sole authority on this matter.

    The Constitution does not grant women a blanket freedom to murder their unborn children. Under the Tenth Amendment that means the freedom to murder unborn children is regulated by the states. All states permitting the murder of unborn children are immoral and unethical.

    As far as same-sex marriage goes, that prohibiting this is plain violation of the Fourteenth Amendment's equal protection clause, and, once a state does legalize same sex marriage, the other states must recognize that marriage under the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution. At the same time, all persons objecting to same-sex marriage cannot be required to have one, thus removing any moral or ethical burden on the states.
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    Re: Social/Ethical issues should be decided by...

    It doesn't matter who makes the decisions as long as they're the right decisions.

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    Re: Social/Ethical issues should be decided by...

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    It doesn't matter who makes the decisions as long as they're the right decisions.
    the the crux though, who's standards are right
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    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    the the crux though, who's standards are right
    Mine, of course. Noone else's standards matter, except as tools or obstacles in the course of realizing my own. After all, don't you pursue your own ideology in the absolute conviction that it is what is best for the people you care about?

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    Re: Social/Ethical issues should be decided by...

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Mine, of course. Noone else's standards matter, except as tools or obstacles in the course of realizing my own. After all, don't you pursue your own ideology in the absolute conviction that it is what is best for the people you care about?
    and thus a dictator is born.

    the morality and such of issues should be decided at the social mean, not at an individuals own personal view.

    and whilst i believe my ideologies are the best, i do not think them infallible
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    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    the morality and such of issues should be decided at the social mean, not at an individuals own personal view.
    So the majority is always right? If their ideas and beliefs contradict yours-- if they grossly violate your moral values-- they should get their way because they're the mainstream?

    I can't accept that. History is full of too many cases of mainstream society holding and promoting moral values that I simply cannot abide-- and the people, by and large, are happy to believe in whatever they're told to. If they're going to blindly follow whoever appears to be in charge, if their beliefs are so easily shaped by others, then there's absolutely no reason to respect them.

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    Re: Social/Ethical issues should be decided by...

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    So the majority is always right? If their ideas and beliefs contradict yours-- if they grossly violate your moral values-- they should get their way because they're the mainstream?
    well i believe that that is better than the ideas of a single person ruling over and violating the moral values of the majority.
    I can't accept that. History is full of too many cases of mainstream society holding and promoting moral values that I simply cannot abide-- and the people, by and large, are happy to believe in whatever they're told to. If they're going to blindly follow whoever appears to be in charge, if their beliefs are so easily shaped by others, then there's absolutely no reason to respect them.
    history is also full of people who held sway over large populations and enforced their own moral code upon them, often through violence and fear.

    i believe that it is better to have society follow the majority than society to be forced by the minority.
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