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People Who Smoke Marijuana Are...

People Who Smoke Marijuana Are...


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...supporting a lot of ruthless, lethal traffickers.

Of course I assume most smokers do this with a considerable level of ignorance. And not to be confused with those who grow their own.

(I voted Other)

The bolded part is one of the main reasons why I want drugs -all of them- legal.

another is that drugs are too dangerous and harmful (including pot) to be controlled by the aforementioned ruthless traffickers.

As it stands now the legal ramifications of trying to cut the traffickers out of the loop (growing ones own) is much harsher than just supporting your local black market.

drugs are dangerous, lets allow ruthless immoral people to control them!!!!!!!!!
 
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That's what happens when you criminalize something. It creates a black market. Naturally, legalizing said acitivity would result in the black market going away.

I am a supporter of legalization. But personaly, I have no profound need or desire to enter "altered states" anymore. A little high now and then wouldn't be so bad, but as long as the people of this nation continue to vote to keep it illegal, I can honor that. Particularly when I consider the violent nature of the trafficker. Regardless of why he exists, I choose to not support him.

So let's get it legalized, then we'll see what the opportunists do about a new marijuana industry.
 
I am a supporter of legalization. But personaly, I have no profound need or desire to enter "altered states" anymore. A little high now and then wouldn't be so bad, but as long as the people of this nation continue to vote to keep it illegal, I can honor that. Particularly when I consider the violent nature of the trafficker. Regardless of why he exists, I choose to not support him.

So let's get it legalized, then we'll see what the opportunists do about a new marijuana industry.

It's easy to honor something when it has no effect on your life...
 
I am a supporter of legalization. But personaly, I have no profound need or desire to enter "altered states" anymore. A little high now and then wouldn't be so bad, but as long as the people of this nation continue to vote to keep it illegal, I can honor that. Particularly when I consider the violent nature of the trafficker. Regardless of why he exists, I choose to not support him.

So let's get it legalized, then we'll see what the opportunists do about a new marijuana industry.

When was this vote you mentioned, and why did I not get the memo?

even if we could vote there are international treaties we are bound to that created the entire drug scheduling and basis for the current drug war that we did not vote on.

"We the people" have NOT voted on the question of legality of scheduled drugs, nor can we at this point unless we vote for constitutional amendment, win supreme court battles asserting the supremacy of state constitutions (commerce clause interference there making this highly unlikely), or we renig on treaties we crammed down the throats of the rest of the world.

btw.. legalization is not to be confused with decriminalization, that we can do and still adhere to international treaty, much like Portugal and Holland has done... it does nothing to address supply or deal with the black market though, it just makes minor possession a "civil": infraction similar to a parking ticket.
 
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Certainly not going to call you a liar, but I've been around a LOT of drug users in my life, and never met one who used drugs to 'feel good about themselves'. That's about the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

I'm not going to call YOU a liar, but I've been around a lot of drug users in my life and lots have used drugs to "feel good about themselves". Not believing that is living in denial that it does occur.
 
If drugs make you feel better about yourself then why not legalize them for depressives? :mrgreen:

Serious side effects and addictive/abuse potential.
 
But is not the purpose of most drug use, just as most people do not drink alcohol to self medicate.

For some it IS the purpose.
 
I believe there may be a psychological addiction, if I am using the term correctly, to refer to the "habit" one can form smoking pot regularly. There seems to be no physical addiction.

No, there can be a physical addiction, though it is far less pronounced than with other drugs like heroin, and it usually only occurs with people who are heavy users.

My anecdotal story is that I had stopped smoking repeatedly for periods of time (1 - 2 months) up to the last time I stopped 3 years ago. There were zero withdrawal symptoms that I noticed.

Then you are not one of the folks that got physically addicted or had withdrawal symptoms.



What types of issues? The ones I listed?

Yup.
 
But now, decades later, as a result, social smokers are forced to purchase pot that will help the trafficker thrive.

Sure, but you have to look at the bigger picture. When you make substances illegal you are creating a black market and breeding criminals. To this day we have millions being arrested and organized crime flourishing because of a political agenda.

You know, in my younger day I smoked a fair amount of pot. Then, as I aged I only occasionally smoked if a friend offered. But now for the past half decade or so, I decided to quit entirely due to my realization of my point above.

That's your choice, smoke or don't smoke... But I think you should look at the bigger picture and the politics of Marijuana before you close your case.

So now how is it that I am a hypocrite? Are you saying I am guilty by association with conservatism?!?!

What a strange argument.:confused:

I said SOME conservatism. SOME modern liberals are against Marijuana too, but this is what bothers me: Washington conservatives and Republicans advocate smaller government, personal freedom, and states' rights... But when it comes to even the discussion of medical marijuana, they usually agree to arrest patients in states that legalized medical use via ballot box voting.

..But if you are one of the conservatives who supports legalization, my hat goes off to you because you aren't a hypocrite like they are.

The Democrats are moving towards pro-decriminalization and pro-medical Marijuana support. Not all but many of them including key congressional members like Pelosi, Frank, and even Obama who supports medical Marijuana. Blue states are continuing to legalize medical Marijuana also. I don't have much 'beef' with them since they are changing their policy to being more open minded with the Marijuana issue.
 
I'm not going to call YOU a liar, but I've been around a lot of drug users in my life and lots have used drugs to "feel good about themselves". Not believing that is living in denial that it does occur.

I don't even understand how it's possible. How *could* drugs make you feel better about yourself?

Maybe you just have a different definition of "feeling better about oneself". My definition of it is "feeling like a better person". Like, feeling more valuable as a person for having done the drug. I fail to see how smoking a joint could possible elicit the feeling that I"m a better person for smoking it. It just doesn't make sense to me.

There are actually people out that *actually* feel that using some particular drug makes them a better person? They actually go through the thought process that if they use xx drug, they will be a better person for it?

No wonder they're seeing you, because that's ****ing insane.
 
I don't even understand how it's possible. How *could* drugs make you feel better about yourself?
Maybe you just have a different definition of "feeling better about oneself". My definition of it is "feeling like a better person". Like, feeling more valuable as a person for having done the drug. I fail to see how smoking a joint could possible elicit the feeling that I"m a better person for smoking it. It just doesn't make sense to me.

There are actually people out that *actually* feel that using some particular drug makes them a better person? They actually go through the thought process that if they use xx drug, they will be a better person for it?

No wonder they're seeing you, because that's ****ing insane.

Drugs mess around with your psyche and they make you feel things differently in a euphoric state of mind. Which CAN and occasionally DO make people feel much better than they do without them. I would know I've done several hardcore drugs before, which I am not very proud of.
 
I don't even understand how it's possible. How *could* drugs make you feel better about yourself?

Maybe you just have a different definition of "feeling better about oneself". My definition of it is "feeling like a better person". Like, feeling more valuable as a person for having done the drug. I fail to see how smoking a joint could possible elicit the feeling that I"m a better person for smoking it. It just doesn't make sense to me.

There are actually people out that *actually* feel that using some particular drug makes them a better person? They actually go through the thought process that if they use xx drug, they will be a better person for it?

No wonder they're seeing you, because that's ****ing insane.

You are saying that the captain's statement is insane but you wind up sounding like you are insane because you can not comprehend that there are a lot more realms to the issues of mental health than your mind can absorb without exploding into anger.
 
You are saying that the captain's statement is insane but you wind up sounding like you are insane because you can not comprehend that there are a lot more realms to the issues of mental health than your mind can absorb without exploding into anger.

Rawsomology Mistah!
 
Drugs mess around with your psyche and they make you feel things differently in a euphoric state of mind. Which CAN and occasionally DO make people feel much better than they do without them. I would know I've done several hardcore drugs before, which I am not very proud of.

Feel better? Well **** yeah they make you feel good. That's the whole damn point of using them. But feel better ABOUT yourself? How? Do people actually take drugs thinking that they will be better people for it? Is that seriously what you guys are suggesting, or do we have different definitions of "feeling better about oneself"?

You are saying that the captain's statement is insane but you wind up sounding like you are insane because you can not comprehend that there are a lot more realms to the issues of mental health than your mind can absorb without exploding into anger.
I asked a specific question, do you have an answer to it? Or are you just going to type at me and try to make my mind "explode into anger" (whatever that means)
 
Feel better? Well **** yeah they make you feel good. That's the whole damn point of using them. But feel better ABOUT yourself? How? Do people actually take drugs thinking that they will be better people for it? Is that seriously what you guys are suggesting, or do we have different definitions of "feeling better about oneself"?


I asked a specific question, do you have an answer to it? Or are you just going to type at me and try to make my mind "explode into anger" (whatever that means)
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPB-myBu02M"]YouTube- Angry Again Lyrics[/ame]
 
LOL

I started to watch it, then I saw "Megadeth" and quickly stopped it. :shock: Eeew

But I saw the title LOL
There's a verse in that song:
Engaged in crime I grasp my throat
Enraged my mind starts to smoke
Enforce a mental overload
Angry again, angry again, angry ow
That I randomly remembered, and applied to the bolded part somehow.

So I posted it.

And, personally, I like Megadeth to some extent.

But, then, I am considered odd by many.

/shrug
 
There's a verse in that song:

That I randomly remembered, and applied to the bolded part somehow.

So I posted it.

And, personally, I like Megadeth to some extent.

But, then, I am considered odd by many.

/shrug

I just don't like metal. lol The noise makes my head hurt :shock: :lol:
 
I just don't like metal. lol The noise makes my head hurt :shock: :lol:
Well, to be fair, I don't like ALL metal.

And I tend to play it at a lower volume than some people think is reasonable.

But meh.
 
I don't even understand how it's possible. How *could* drugs make you feel better about yourself?

Maybe you just have a different definition of "feeling better about oneself". My definition of it is "feeling like a better person". Like, feeling more valuable as a person for having done the drug. I fail to see how smoking a joint could possible elicit the feeling that I"m a better person for smoking it. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Feeling better about yourself, to me, represents feeling like a better person, not necessarily for having done the drug, but for the effects that the drug has on the person, usually serotonin, but sometimes dopamine, opioid receptors, or other things. These effects certainly can make someone feel like they are better people (grandiosity). I've seen this tons of times and often hear people wanting this effect... feeling better about themselves. Very common effect.

There are actually people out that *actually* feel that using some particular drug makes them a better person? They actually go through the thought process that if they use xx drug, they will be a better person for it?

No, now you are changing the issue. It is not about believing that you are a better person because the drug makes you a better person. It's about feeling better about yourself because the drug alters brain chemistry, making you feel better about yourself.

No wonder they're seeing you, because that's ****ing insane.

It's not insanity. It's precisely what drugs/alcohol do.
 
To be quite honest, marijuana makes some people better people.
And some people into skeevy sketches, but thats just the illegal nature of the drug.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTip94vtNVM"]YouTube- Radiohead - Lurgee[/ame]

I could smoke a bit and listen to this song right now. I could really step out of myself and connect with everyone and have no insecurities. People say great things and connect to each others souls. It completely changes my state of mind and internal character.

But I haven't done it for years.
 
So your argument is that you must "grow out of" marijuana usage before you can become a productive member of society? :lol:

Not even sure where to go with that...

and you didnt provide a source...to my...unsourced comment! And Ive got a source for that!
 
It's not insanity. It's precisely what drugs/alcohol do.

Weird, because that's not what they have ever done to me, nor anyone else I've known using them. I still can't quite comprehend how it's logically possible, but I'll buy your explanation and just have to go with: Not in my experience. :lol:


Regarding all of that, though, some people post on forums to feel better about themselves too. Since some people do feel better about themselves for posting on forums, I guess that means that everyone who posts on forums stupid and uses it as a crutch just to make themselves feel better about themselves. (to hear Cephus tell it :lol: :rofl ) Some people like to pass judgment on others to make themselves feel better about themselves too. ;)

Anywho, I've never met anyone who uses drugs to 'feel better about themselves' and the whole concept is still pretty ****ed up to me. But, whatever... to each their own.
 
Weird, because that's not what they have ever done to me, nor anyone else I've known using them. I still can't quite comprehend how it's logically possible, but I'll buy your explanation and just have to go with: Not in my experience. :lol:


Regarding all of that, though, some people post on forums to feel better about themselves too. Since some people do feel better about themselves for posting on forums, I guess that means that everyone who posts on forums stupid and uses it as a crutch just to make themselves feel better about themselves. (to hear Cephus tell it :lol: :rofl ) Some people like to pass judgment on others to make themselves feel better about themselves too. ;)

Anywho, I've never met anyone who uses drugs to 'feel better about themselves' and the whole concept is still pretty ****ed up to me. But, whatever... to each their own.

Now you got it! To each his own.
 
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