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People Who Smoke Marijuana Are...

People Who Smoke Marijuana Are...

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mikeey is always high, or maybe God is high hahah

Hatuey
 
Ethereal said:
I smoke pot all the time and I'm quite intelligent - in fact, I find I'm more lucid when I write high as opposed to not.

P.S. - I'm going to smoke now, so my next post is sure to be a gem...:2razz:
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You are quite intelligent. What is debatable is whether you would be even more intelligent if you did not smoke pot.

I do understand why you are a libertarian now though.:2razz:
 
Ethereal said:
I think he's just really old or something.
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He has to be on something. There is no way anybody can make that many incoherent points and yet somehow manage to make sense. Well there is Monk-Eye. But I haven't seen him in a while.
 
Redress said:
You are quite intelligent. What is debatable is whether you would be even more intelligent if you did not smoke pot.
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Well, how do you quantify intelligence? Test scores? Writing ability? Abstract reasoning? Why am I able to write and read with more lucidity when high?

I do understand why you are a libertarian now though.:2razz:
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The cat is out of the bag...:cool:
 
Hatuey said:
He has to be on something. There is no way anybody can make that many incoherent points and yet somehow manage to make sense. Well there is Monk-Eye. But I haven't seen him in a while.
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I think the only people who actually understand Mikeey's posts are DP veterans. He uses a special language that only we can understand...:2razz:
 
jr602az said:
OMG.lol Who cares if they were pothead or not, they used marijuana and they became successful.
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So what? What you just said refutes your own argument.
 
Dezaad said:
Still, I have personally known at least 2 other people whom I could describe as 'needing' pot to be successful. (Not me, it just makes me stupid and doesn't give the euphoria. Boring, really) I am certain they were also self-medicating something. One of them is a Nurse (recently), now. The other I don't know anymore, but was a straight A student. Luckily, they both found pot to be helpful. There will be time later for them to find the better method for whatever ails them.

Of course these are anecdotal as well. And, if true, are still examples of exceptions to the rule.
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Chances are, what that means is that both of those folks were suffering from some sort of ailment that would/could have been managed in other ways.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Chances are, what that means is that both of those folks were suffering from some sort of ailment that would/could have been managed in other ways.
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Like prescription medicine?
 
idk said:
Carl Sagan smoked pot regularly and attributed much of his great scientific achievements to ideas he concocted while stoned.

Marijuana affects everyone differently. I smoke it occasionally because its effects on me closely match those described by Sagan. I think the problem with marijuana is that, like many illicit drugs, it attracts those who are unable to cope with sobriety. Those that easily cope with sobriety are less likely to use drugs and are, generally speaking, more successful.

It's the whole correlation does not equal causation thing. Stoners and potheads have a reputation for being pretty stupid, but is weed the underlying cause? Or did they simply not learn tap the potential of their minds, instead relying on a drug? Certainly weed has the potential to exarcerbate stupidity and ignorance; if you become hyperfocused while high and focus that energy intently on Seinfield reruns, you won't expand your mind.

However, when I become hyperfocused while high, I do hours of research. I attribute my deeper understanding of mathematics and physics to insight gained while high, a perspective I may not otherwise have achieved.

I think weed, like alcohol, can destroy the full capabilities of your mind. But, depending on how its used, I believe it can inspire new ways of thinking which may stimulate otherwise unused neurons. Until we allow actual research into its true nature, we'll have to discover its risks and benefits on a personal level.
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1) It is unknown that if someone achieves when the use weed if they would not achieve MORE if they did not. Therefore, your assessment could be backwards.

2) If someone is more focused when the use weed, it probably means that they are suffering from ADD or some other psychological disorder. I've seen this TONS of times. There are other solutions to these issues.

3) From the research I've read, other than the smoking part of it, occasional marijuana use probably ranks with occasional alcohol use in the realm of danger... more or less. Consistent marijuana use? Absolutely dangerous with lots of negative effects.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
1) It is unknown that if someone achieves when the use weed if they would not achieve MORE if they did not. Therefore, your assessment could be backwards.

2) If someone is more focused when the use weed, it probably means that they are suffering from ADD or some other psychological disorder. I've seen this TONS of times. There are other solutions to these issues.

3) From the research I've read, other than the smoking part of it, occasional marijuana use probably ranks with occasional alcohol use in the realm of danger... more or less. Consistent marijuana use? Absolutely dangerous with lots of negative effects.
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Excuse me, but "ADD" is not a psychological disorder. Being bored in school and defiant towards authority figures is not indicative of psychological problems.

Secondly, if consistent marijuana usage is "absolutely dangerous with lots of negative effects" then consistent usage of prescription drugs is "extremely dangerous and life-threatening".
 
reefedjib said:
At what point do excepions invalidate the rule? I imagine there are some like me who performed well under the influence. I know there are many others who performed well when not under the influence but would get high when the were studying or performing. To my mind there is a range of stupidity and performance associated with getting high. There are some things I will not do when high - any type of motor coordination including cooking and driving.
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Guy walks into a casino. All he has on him is $20. He plays blackjack and craps and in 6 hours, turns the $20 into $2000. "See... you can turn a small backroll into something huge" he boasts. This happens... more often than just once. It still does not disprove the rule that if you walk into a casino with a small backroll, you will walk out with a smaller one... if any at all.

Getting high causes impairment. That's what it's SUPPOSED TO DO and why people do it. When one is impaired they do not function at their optimal level. And, in fact, their impairment can easily make them be in denial about this... kinda like "beer muscles". Also why a rational, sane person will get behind the wheel of a car, believing that they can drive just as well when "impaired".
 
Hatuey said:
He has to be on something. There is no way anybody can make that many incoherent points and yet somehow manage to make sense. Well there is Monk-Eye. But I haven't seen him in a while.
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I think I banned Monk-Eye... or pissed him off or something.
 
Ethereal said:
Excuse me, but "ADD" is not a psychological disorder. Being bored in school and defiant towards authority figures is not indicative of psychological problems.
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Excuse ME but ADD IS a psychological disorder. Your assessment of what it is and what symptons it is exhibited by shows that you do not know what it is. You are describing someone who is oppositional, not someone who is ADD.

Secondly, if consistent marijuana usage is "absolutely dangerous with lots of negative effects" then consistent usage of prescription drugs is "extremely dangerous and life-threatening".
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Depends on the prescription drug and the level of use. If you take 10 oxycontins every day for a couple of years, you will certainly have negative effects and there will be danger of life-threatening consequences.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Excuse ME but ADD IS a psychological disorder. Your assessment of what it is and what symptons it is exhibited by shows that you do not know what it is. You are describing someone who is oppositional, not someone who is ADD.
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Okay, let's look at the "symptoms" of ADD...

AD/HD predominantly inattentive type: (AD/HD-I)

  • Fails to give close attention to details or makes careless mistakes.
  • Has difficulty sustaining attention.
  • Does not appear to listen.
  • Struggles to follow through on instructions.
  • Has difficulty with organization.
  • Avoids or dislikes tasks requiring sustained mental effort.
  • Loses things.
  • Is easily distracted.
  • Is forgetful in daily activities.

AD/HD predominantly hyperactive-impulsive type: (AD/HD-HI)

  • Fidgets with hands or feet or squirms in chair.
  • Has difficulty remaining seated.
  • Runs about or climbs excessively.
  • Difficulty engaging in activities quietly.
  • Acts as if driven by a motor.
  • Talks excessively.
  • Blurts out answers before questions have been completed.
  • Difficulty waiting or taking turns.
  • Interrupts or intrudes upon others.

The Disorder Named AD/HD (WWK1)
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Basically, if they have lots of energy and don't like listening to teachers talk about arithmetic they are "psychologically disordered" and in serious need of Ritalin.

Depends on the prescription drug and the level of use. If you take 10 oxycontins every day for a couple of years, you will certainly have negative effects and there will be danger of life-threatening consequences.
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How many people have died from marijuana usage?

How many people have died from prescription drug usage?
 
ADD people are not disordered, in my opinion. They just live in the wrong time in history. I'm sure they did fine in simpler times before the demands of modern schools and urban living. I'm sure ADD people functioned just fine in hunter/gatherer and agrarian societies.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
ADD people are not disordered, in my opinion. They just live in the wrong time in history. I'm sure they did fine in simpler times before the demands of modern schools and urban living. I'm sure ADD people functioned just fine in hunter/gatherer and agrarian societies.
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I think many of their problems stem from the rigidity and conformity of our education system.
 
Ethereal said:
Excuse me, but "ADD" is not a psychological disorder. Being bored in school and defiant towards authority figures is not indicative of psychological problems.

Secondly, if consistent marijuana usage is "absolutely dangerous with lots of negative effects" then consistent usage of prescription drugs is "extremely dangerous and life-threatening".
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Having problems remembering things is not dementia, but it can certainly be a sign of it. ADD is real, as is ADHD, and while the symptoms are similar to normal kids, trust me that when you encounter the real thing, you will know it. It's a difference of degree.
 
Ethereal said:
Okay, let's look at the "symptoms" of ADD...
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Yes, let's look at them. I see nothing there that indicates being bored or being defiant. Thank you for posting the information.



Basically, if they have lots of energy and don't like listening to teachers talk about arithmetic they are "psychologically disordered" and in serious need of Ritalin.
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Except that's not how the DSM-IV classifies ADD NOR is it what you posted. So, all you are doing is making stuff up.



How many people have died from marijuana usage?

How many people have died from prescription drug usage?
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That's like saying that because people die in auto accidents, cars are "dangerous and life-threatening". :roll: I would think you would understand the difference. Further, you are misrepresenting my position. If someone uses marijuana excessively OR prescription drugs excessively, they are doing something dangerous and life-threatening. If they are not using them excessively, they are not.
 
I have never understood why people use the "it's not harmful" argument, or the "it's not very harmful" argument, which are demonstratively false. A much more effective argument for marijuana use is that it's your body and should be your right, as it is no one else business. That is still not a perfect argument, but it is much more effective. Arguing that Carl Sagan got high and was smart, therefore marijuana is not bad, or the various variations on that don't make a case.
 
Redress said:
Having problems remembering things is not dementia, but it can certainly be a sign of it. ADD is real, as is ADHD, and while the symptoms are similar to normal kids, trust me that when you encounter the real thing, you will know it. It's a difference of degree.
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I have encountered MANY kids who were wrongly given the ADD diagnosis/label, and "un" diagnosed them. Too often ADD is a "garbage can" diagnosis... little Johnny can't focus in class? Give him Ritalin. Most of the time, that's NOT what's going on. Perhaps "little Johnny" is depressed. Perhaps he's anxious (most common mis-diagnosis of ADD). Perhaps he's having trouble at home. Perhaps he has some sort of learning disability. Just slapping an ADD diagnosis on a kid without thorough testing is being LAZY. If I have a kid that comes into my office having been diagnoses with ADD, I NEVER take that at face value; I do my own assessment. 80% of the time, I'd guess, they're not.
 
Redress said:
Having problems remembering things is not dementia, but it can certainly be a sign of it. ADD is real, as is ADHD, and while the symptoms are similar to normal kids, trust me that when you encounter the real thing, you will know it. It's a difference of degree.
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I was diagnosed as having ADHD by two child psychiatrists and prescribed Ritalin, which I later refused to take. Ritalin was a nightmare and prescribing it to "ADHD" children is immoral.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
ADD people are not disordered, in my opinion. They just live in the wrong time in history. I'm sure they did fine in simpler times before the demands of modern schools and urban living. I'm sure ADD people functioned just fine in hunter/gatherer and agrarian societies.
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I think it's true that folks with different disorders might thrive in certain situations, giving the impression that their disorder is not a disorder at all. This is also why any disorder has positives to it.
 
Ethereal said:
I was diagnosed as having ADHD by two child psychiatrists and prescribed Ritalin, which I later refused to take. Ritalin was a nightmare and prescribing it to "ADHD" children is immoral.
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For you. Remember to put that at the end of statements like this. For some, without Ritalin, success in academics would be near impossible. Perhaps you were not really ADHD. Or perhaps Ritalin was not the right medication. There are several others, some that are NOT stimulants.
 
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