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Do you trust the Government?

Multiple Choice

  • Yes, I trust the government overall

    Votes: 9 18.8%

  • No, I do not trust the government overall

    Votes: 32 66.7%

  • Yes, I trust the Republicans or Democrats

    Votes: 3 6.3%

  • No, I do not trust the Republicans or Democrats

    Votes: 22 45.8%

  • Yes, this could be a turning point and opening for 3rd parties

    Votes: 10 20.8%

  • No, 3rd parties will never be a viable or realistic option

    Votes: 11 22.9%

  • I agree overall with CBS' poll results

    Votes: 11 22.9%

  • I disagree overall with CBS' poll results

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • Other - explain

    Votes: 9 18.8%
  • Total voters
    48
Hatuey said:
Conservatives also do not trust Arabs, black people or anybody without a Christian armband on them. Yay for Turtle's generalizations.
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that is rather silly given the fact I am an agnostic with christian and jewish heritage. dems don't trust black people-that is why dems push affirmative action because they don't think blacks are smart enough to make it on their own merit and industry

I can prove my generalizations are accurate given the laws and policies the left in the USA supports. Who pushes most for confiscatory taxes? Answer the dems. Which party has sponsored EVERY federal gun restriction-answer, the dems. which party pushed through socialist security-answer the dems. which party opposes school vouchers and whines the most about home schooling-answer-the same party that has the NEA as one of its major supporters-the dems.
 
I have known lots of people that have worked in the government, the dept of Justice, State, DoD, the pentagon. They are quite professional. And most of these people who 'fear' the government cant rationally comprehend what goes into government. Unfortunately politicians are the face of government. Do I trust the government, overall, yes more than no. It beats the Russian government. :2razz:
 
Kali said:
There comes a time when it is up to people to protect the very thing that we are all about in this country.


I find it sad that we need babysitters. We should be able to handle a non-government world but are not there yet. And the folks that are suppose to protect us from ourselves do a crappy job. Our current system does not work.

I know there will come a day when the Government is no longer needed but will probably be dead by then:(
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The biggest problem isn't really that we need babysitters, it is that current politicians think they are smarter than us and we would not survive without them acting as adult nannies. The biggest flaw with that thinking is that most citizens are perfectly capable of running their own lives, and apparantly are much smarter than politicians.

The second problem comes from politicians acting like we owe them, or like they are the ultimate power, when, in fact we are their employers. The best example are the town hall meetings and some of the statements from the last decade. Harry Reid saying "tourists stink", or some of the statements that "we will like certain legislation after we realize what it does" even when we have said en masse that we don't want it and it will not help.
 
LaMidRighter said:
The biggest problem isn't really that we need babysitters, it is that current politicians think they are smarter than us and we would not survive without them acting as adult nannies. The biggest flaw with that thinking is that most citizens are perfectly capable of running their own lives, and apparantly are much smarter than politicians.

The second problem comes from politicians acting like we owe them, or like they are the ultimate power, when, in fact we are their employers. The best example are the town hall meetings and some of the statements from the last decade. Harry Reid saying "tourists stink", or some of the statements that "we will like certain legislation after we realize what it does" even when we have said en masse that we don't want it and it will not help.
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Add to that the fact that most politicians want to buy votes. So they will say whatever as long as it gets them votes. Which is one of the reason why they think they are smarter than us. Because they get away with talking bs and no one holds them responsible so they know they can get away with everything.

And you'd be surprised how many people wouldn't survive with the government acting as nannies. What is the number of families on welfare? And times that by three or four because that usually makes the realisitc size of the family. And then boom! Half the population supports the other half and then what?
 
SE102 said:
I have known lots of people that have worked in the government, the dept of Justice, State, DoD, the pentagon. They are quite professional. And most of these people who 'fear' the government cant rationally comprehend what goes into government. Unfortunately politicians are the face of government. Do I trust the government, overall, yes more than no. It beats the Russian government. :2razz:
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I don't have anything against people who work for the DoD-you are aware that the DoD and pentagon are the same thing:confused:-justice department, state, the thing is that the top is normally crooked. Which is the problem. The crooks protect other crooks.
 
Trust the government? That's laughable - truly absurd.

I don't trust regular strangers, let alone ones with power and authority.
 
Ethereal said:
Trust the government? That's laughable - truly absurd.

I don't trust regular strangers, let alone ones with power and authority.
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That's the point.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
Add to that the fact that most politicians want to buy votes. So they will say whatever as long as it gets them votes. Which is one of the reason why they think they are smarter than us. Because they get away with talking bs and no one holds them responsible so they know they can get away with everything.

And you'd be surprised how many people wouldn't survive with the government acting as nannies. What is the number of families on welfare? And times that by three or four because that usually makes the realisitc size of the family. And then boom! Half the population supports the other half and then what?
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I mainly agree here. I will say that there are potentially capable adults who are completely clueless but that is a direct result of generational welfare, their very initiative and skillsets have been denied them by being conditioned to accept government handouts.
 
earthworm said:
I do trust my government....
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Then you're just naive. There is no reason to trust someone you don't know, especially when they have guns and tanks.
 
What alternatives are there to govt. You do realise they do most evrything they can, background checks, interviews, etc, to place the best people they can in their positions of power. Idk too much about domestic politics I assume maybe some people are appointed for ideological reasons. Or maybe that was just the last administration.:2razz:
 
SE102 said:
What alternatives are there to govt. You do realise they do most evrything they can, background checks, interviews, etc, to place the best people they can in their positions of power. Idk too much about domestic politics I assume maybe some people are appointed for ideological reasons. Or maybe that was just the last administration.:2razz:
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There is no alternative to some government, it's how much power you bestow it with that is at the heart of the argument. I don't trust a large, all encompassing and authoritative government, it will lead to either tyranny or soft tyranny.

The mark of a successful government is to facilitate a very small and limited protection against violations of natural rights which would occur during an anarchal period due to human nature. Where many societies fail is to take the concept of natural rights to far, whether through blind emotion, a desire to gain power by using the good in us to grow government for these "rights", or a combination of the two. Either way, a government that is large enough to handle all aspects of your life is large enough to control all aspects of your life, thus liberty becomes lessened.

Which is why I don't trust government. Also, as per appointees, most of them are incompetant, however we sometimes are granted a temporary reprieve by true statesmen or qualified individuals, but more often than not we are treated to idiots who knew the right people and kissed the right........well, you get the point.
 
Ethereal said:
Then you're just naive. There is no reason to trust someone you don't know, especially when they have guns and tanks.
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... and a coin purse they want to put OUR money into.
 
SE102 said:
What alternatives are there to govt. You do realise they do most evrything they can, background checks, interviews, etc, to place the best people they can in their positions of power. Idk too much about domestic politics I assume maybe some people are appointed for ideological reasons. Or maybe that was just the last administration.:2razz:
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Who said anything about getting rid of the government? Why is it that anytime someone suggests that the government is too big and not to be trusted they are automatically assumed to be an anarchist?
 
I believe that trusting the government and disapproving of it are two different things............
 
Navy Pride said:
I believe that trusting the government and disapproving of it are two different things............
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How so?

If you distrust the government, one would think you also disapprove of it...right?

If you disapprove of the government, one would think you also distrust it.

How can you disapprove of something you trust, and how can you trust something you disapprove of?

I suppose it's POSSIBLE...but unlikely.
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
CBS polls show that Americans are deeply dissatisfied with government on the whole.
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That's because government sucks. I hope that people can start to see now that the R and the D make relatively little difference. We were supposed to get hope and change, and instead we got status and quo. All the wealthy jerks causing problems get bailed out, while unemployment goes relatively unchecked. Produce growth...produce growth says the Fed. But that's not their mandate, their mandate is to balance inflation and unemployment. Growth is great, but it doesn't necessarily result in jobs. It results in money for Wallstreet and the Banks, but not for Mainstreet America. And people see this now, and they are pissed. I hope they can see through the shell game which is the Republocrats.
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
Could this be a turning point in American politics, especially given the high levels of dissatisfaction regarding both major political parties? Could this be a possible door opening for third parties?
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I hope so, but I suspect not. People like to bitch and moan, but they don't really want to fix problems. If they did, they wouldn't have much to bitch about, thus they would need to get a life.;)
 
I trust the government to be a bureaucracy.

I don't trust politicians to pass legislation to the benefit of the country.

We need a new class of politician beholden to practical moderation and integrity, not special interests and the money train.

Welcome the Whigs.
 
Ethereal said:
It is our money. The only people who think otherwise are statist leftists.
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Are you of the contention people believe that it is the governments money and not the peoples? Have you ever considered that it may be everyones money as in "ours". You say "ours" and it sounds more like "mine" to me. I don't think anyone no matter how far left believes the government has a right to peoples money for its own sake.

Why is it that anytime someone suggests that the government is too big and not to be trusted they are automatically assumed to be an anarchist?
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If you're assuming Im assuming your anarchist because I think you think the government is too big, and you're assuming that anyone who thinks otherwise that the government is too big and un-trustable is a 'statist leftist', Ill leave you in a corner to argue with yourself since you have everyone covered.
 
Hatuey said:
Libertarians and all the other political rejects.
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You mean like the Republicans and Democrats?

I actually thought when you made the comment about the alternative, you were referring to total *lack* of government - with which I agreed. Apparently, you were just talking about rejecting those that see things a bit differently, by calling them rejects. Nice.
 
"A helmet is usually thought to be very heavy, but when one is attacking a castle or something similar, and arrows, bullets, large rocks, great pieces of wood and the like are coming down, it will not seem the least bit so."
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-Hagakure, Yamamoto Tsunetomo
 
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