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    Re: Is it better to have high or low taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes, we need to start addressing the debt.

    That means cutting all unconstitutional spending and paying that debt down as quickly as possible, then cutting taxes to the barest minimum needed to provide those services the Constitution requires.

    Good bye, socialist programs.

    That's what must be done. To think we have any other option that doesn't lead to the poorhouse it to not think at all.

    Don’t see a whole lot in the above that I don't agree with; more than likely would take exception to what you consider “socialist programs”. Social Security? Hardly socialist, if you have to pay into it your whole life.

    Medicare? Same thing. Single Payer healthcare (which I hope I will see before they start throwing dirt in my face)? Again, its hardly socialist, if it keeps taxpayers alive and well, so they can pay taxes for the rest of their lives.

    Where we getting the dough you ask? A good start, in addition to grabbing it from the money grubbin top 1% that has enjoyed the majority of the tax breaks of 01, and 03.Then it would be the closing of the unnecessary military bases in Europe and elsewhere. A few trillion here and there pretty soon your starting to talk about some real dough.

    Of course we have to get our s*** together before all of this takes effect.
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    Re: Is it better to have high or low taxes

    Is this a serious question?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Is it better to have high or low taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Don’t see a whole lot in the above that I don't agree with; more than likely would take exception to what you consider “socialist programs”. Social Security? Hardly socialist, if you have to pay into it your whole life.

    I said "socialist security", didn't I?

    Does the man of twenty today have the option of keeping that 15.4% of his pay currently siphoned off by FDR's Ponzi Scheme? No.

    Did the recipients of that money earn it? No.

    The two signature elements of socialism are demonstrated: Theft from the producer and re-distribution to those who haven't earned it.

    Socialism is the end of freedom, and slavery lasts forever.

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Medicare? Same thing.
    Yes, same thing.

    Re-distribution of wealth from the creators to the undeserving consumers.

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Single Payer healthcare (which I hope I will see before they start throwing dirt in my face)? Again, its hardly socialist, if it keeps taxpayers alive and well, so they can pay taxes for the rest of their lives.
    100% socialist. That's why it was originally called "socialized medicine" when it was first imposed on Britain.

    Don't play games with words. Many of us know what they mean.

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Where we getting the dough you ask? A good start, in addition to grabbing it from the money grubbin top 1% that has enjoyed the majority of the tax breaks of 01, and 03.
    You mean stealing it from the people who paid the most taxes already.

    Why not start taxing the people getting the unearned benefits?

    Calculate their benefits and tax them 100% of those, in addition to their other income.

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Then it would be the closing of the unnecessary military bases in Europe and elsewhere.
    According to the Left, the is no such thing as a necessary military base.

    Since the defense budget comprises less than 1/3 of the total federal outlays, and since 2/3 of the total federal outlays are unconstitutional, how effective do you think it's going to be to shave off those military bases while leaving the unconstitutional programs alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Of course we have to get our s*** together before all of this takes effect.
    First step: Begin teaching the children about the evils of socialism. Tell them of the moral crimaes, the economic failures, and the mass murders that litter socialism's past and present.

    Stop lying to the children.

    Cut off the Left's supply of useful idiots.

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    Re: Is it better to have high or low taxes

    I think the problem with liberals is that they were allowed to live in a fantasy land by their parents and, more importantly, their parents never slapped their grubby little hands when they tried to take something that did not belong to them.

    When liberals spout their 'fairness' bulls**t, they always conveniently leave out that the top 1% of wage earners already pay a Socialistic 40% of all income taxes paid and the top 5% pay nearly 61%.

    All they can do is to cry that the biggest earners got the most $$$$'s relief with Bush's tax reduction.

    Why h*ll, I'll bet that other than social security and medicare taxes, most of the whiners pay no, or next to no, income taxes at all. And that, by any other name, is just pure greed and class envy. (as of course encouraged by liberals)

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    Re: Is it better to have high or low taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boomyal View Post
    I think the problem with liberals is that they were allowed to live in a fantasy land by their parents and, more importantly, their parents never slapped their grubby little hands when they tried to take something that did not belong to them.

    When liberals spout their 'fairness' bulls**t, they always conveniently leave out that the top 1% of wage earners already pay a Socialistic 40% of all income taxes paid and the top 5% pay nearly 61%.

    All they can do is to cry that the biggest earners got the most $$$$'s relief with Bush's tax reduction.

    Why h*ll, I'll bet that other than social security and medicare taxes, most of the whiners pay no, or next to no, income taxes at all. And that, by any other name, is just pure greed and class envy. (as of course encouraged by liberals)
    Attacks that make no sense ... work every time! Good job.

    EDIT: Does that mean you enjoy being slapped?
    Last edited by Cilogy; 02-23-10 at 08:15 PM.


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    Re: Is it better to have high or low taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Attacks that make no sense ... work every time! Good job.
    Well I admit that some of it was conjecture. I only did so out of frustration of understanding why, very un-Biblically, one man feels he has a legitimate claim on another man's property. We (our very wise and brave Forefathers) fought a revolution over that very same issue. But then, I know, they were just tainted white european males.

    Beyond that, everything else that I stated is un-refutable!

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    Re: Is it better to have high or low taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    High or low compared to whom? What we currently have in the US? Sweden? Hong Kong?

    Also, which taxes are we talking about having high or low taxes? It's a good idea to have a relatively high income tax, but a bad idea to have a relatively high corporate tax or relatively high payroll tax.

    And why are we raising or lowering taxes? To service our debt, to improve education, to go to war, or to spend more on unsustainable entitlements?

    This is a complicated question that cannot be answered with a simple high/low choice.

    May I ask why you'd prefer higher income taxes and lower corporate/payroll taxes?

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    Re: Is it better to have high or low taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boomyal View Post
    I only did so out of frustration of understanding why, very un-Biblically, one man feels he has a legitimate claim on another man's property.:
    Because, first of all, the bible is not the end-all of human law or human nature.

    Second, people take it out of context and say that when it comes to taxes, others are claiming the property of others. In a round-about way you could argue that, but in the end, we contribute to the community, and therefore the community contributes to us.

    At the end of the day, the U.S. is community based, not individual based, even though people in country go up to their rooftops and scream "individual freedoms!"


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    Re: Is it better to have high or low taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Because, first of all, the bible is not the end-all of human law or human nature.

    Second, people take it out of context and say that when it comes to taxes, others are claiming the property of others. In a round-about way you could argue that, but in the end, we contribute to the community, and therefore the community contributes to us.

    At the end of the day, the U.S. is community based, not individual based, even though people in country go up to their rooftops and scream "individual freedoms!"
    More Hillary hype from the Left. "it takes a village". That was Vladimer Lenin's line and look where it got them!

    It is up to the individual to decide how much the 'village' should impact his life, not the other way around!

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    Re: Is it better to have high or low taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boomyal View Post
    It is up to the individual to decide how much the
    'village' should impact his life, not the other way around!
    I'm not saying its ONLY up to the community, I'm saying people stress the "individual" way more than it needs to be stressed.

    Also, I'm not a liberal.


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