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  • If you are a truther, then you are an idiot and a nutjob, and have no credibility.

    27 87.10%
  • If you are a birther, then you are an idiot and a nutjob, and have no credibility.

    27 87.10%
  • Being a truther is a perfectly reasonable position to hold.

    4 12.90%
  • Being a birther is a perfectly reasonable position to hold.

    3 9.68%
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Thread: Birthers and Truthers

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    Birthers and Truthers

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    Re: Birthers and Truthers

    None of them apply. People who normally think along these lines tend to be highly idealistic and feel powerless.
    The choices offered in the poll are the opposite ends of the extreme, and people don't generally fit neatly into extreme categories.
    Last edited by lizzie; 02-18-10 at 11:38 AM.

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    Re: Birthers and Truthers

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    None of them apply. People who normally think along these lines tend to be highly idealistic and feel powerless.
    The choices offered in the poll are the opposite ends of the extreme, and people don't generally fit neatly into extreme categories.
    I agree with Lizzie on this one. There are obvious elements to both movements that would make Howard Hughes seem sane, there are also people who are quite sane and have a very rational reason for their distrust and might have more or less information about the subject than most do. There are also people in between.

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    Re: Birthers and Truthers

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    None of them apply. People who normally think along these lines tend to be highly idealistic and feel powerless.
    The choices offered in the poll are the opposite ends of the extreme, and people don't generally fit neatly into extreme categories.
    That is a symptom of being a nutjob though. Its like saying that people that are depressed feel sad, or that psychotic people have trouble differentiating what is and is not real.

    It seems to me that if you believe that Obama is not a citizen, or that 9/11 was a government conspiracy, then basically you have a type of psychosis going because you are having trouble with reality. Thus, of course you feel powerless on one extreme, or like you are on a special mission to get the word out about this on the other. Those are symptoms of being a nutjob though. I just don't see where it helps a psychotic to humor them.
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    Re: Birthers and Truthers

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    It seems to me that if you believe that Obama is not a citizen, or that 9/11 was a government conspiracy, then basically you have a type of psychosis going because you are having trouble with reality.
    Not at all. Believing something that is not proven is certainly a normal phenomenon in the human race.

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    Re: Birthers and Truthers

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Check all that apply.
    I picket the top two choices.
    This is similar to my poll in the conspiracy forum section.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspi...-truffers.html
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    Re: Birthers and Truthers

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I picket the top two choices.
    This is similar to my poll in the conspiracy forum section.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspi...-truffers.html
    I agree, neither side has a monopoly on nut jobs.
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    Re: Birthers and Truthers

    My thoughts are split on this one.

    The truthers I tend to give more slack. There are a lot of things about 9/11 in general that look pretty weird if you dont have the training or education to really parse what you see. Plus you have idiots like Alex Jones stoking the fire and its easy to get caught up in it. I still think many truthers have an axe to grind with "the government" so they tend to let weak areas of the argument slide and the tendency to ignore pertinent information or more plausible explanations is rampant among that group.

    Birthers on the other hand have NO alibi. Every facet of the birther mantra has been absolutely and unequivocally demolished for all to see and if you're still a birther after that, you arent being intellectually honest.
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    Re: Birthers and Truthers

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Not at all. Believing something that is not proven is certainly a normal phenomenon in the human race.

    What leads you to the conclusion that either case is not proven?
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    Re: Birthers and Truthers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    My thoughts are split on this one.

    The truthers I tend to give more slack. There are a lot of things about 9/11 in general that look pretty weird if you dont have the training or education to really parse what you see. Plus you have idiots like Alex Jones stoking the fire and its easy to get caught up in it. I still think many truthers have an axe to grind with "the government" so they tend to let weak areas of the argument slide and the tendency to ignore pertinent information or more plausible explanations is rampant among that group.

    Birthers on the other hand have NO alibi. Every facet of the birther mantra has been absolutely and unequivocally demolished for all to see and if you're still a birther after that, you arent being intellectually honest.
    I think every single point you've raised about 9/11 could be applied to the birthers, just like every point you've raised about the birthers could be applied to the truthers.

    I honestly can't see how one is any more or less ridiculous than the other.
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