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    Re: Ethics in Government, Should there be any? Who's should they be?

    Anyone who works any job should act like a professional while on the job. Part of professionalism is the maintenance of one's personal ethics. A government job is just like any other in that a person should conduct themselves in a serious manner.

    In terms of the politics. That, I believe, should simply be a reflection of the desires of the population that the government represents. If people want more government, fine, if they want less, fine. Whatever the government does has benefits and drawbacks (meaning there are certain benefits in having a large government and other benefits in a smaller one, the same with drawbacks), but it should be up to the population to soberly and thoughtfully decide what is best for themselves and for the country as a whole and vote or petition the government accordingly.

    If people are honest and considerate, than the ethics will mostly take care of itself.
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    Re: Ethics in Government, Should there be any? Who's should they be?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Anyone who works any job should act like a professional while on the job. Part of professionalism is the maintenance of one's personal ethics. A government job is just like any other in that a person should conduct themselves in a serious manner.

    In terms of the politics. That, I believe, should simply be a reflection of the desires of the population that the government represents. If people want more government, fine, if they want less, fine. Whatever the government does has benefits and drawbacks (meaning there are certain benefits in having a large government and other benefits in a smaller one, the same with drawbacks), but it should be up to the population to soberly and thoughtfully decide what is best for themselves and for the country as a whole and vote or petition the government accordingly.

    If people are honest and considerate, than the ethics will mostly take care of itself.
    Good post and I don't see anything I disagree with except I don't think it works out this way in practice, from my perspective at least, in observing some governmental policies.
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    Re: Ethics in Government, Should there be any? Who's should they be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Good post and I don't see anything I disagree with except I don't think it works out this way in practice, from my perspective at least, in observing some governmental policies.
    Yep. We have too many special interests preventing the system from functioning. (Unfortunately the supreme court just made it worse )
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    Re: Ethics in Government, Should there be any? Who's should they be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    This poll is for the people that think there should be some kind of ethics in government.

    If you feel ethics are not necessary, feel free to say so and list your reasons.

    For those of you that think there should be ethics in government ~

    Do you think ethics in government (including their policies and programs) should be representative of the voters ethics,
    or, do you think government's ethics should be different than the voters personal ethics?


    And please talk about your reasons for either vote.
    there isnt a whole lot of ethics in most governments, except for a few like venezuela.

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    Re: Ethics in Government, Should there be any? Who's should they be?

    Quote Originally Posted by cope2 View Post
    there isnt a whole lot of ethics in most governments, except for a few like venezuela.
    How does this affect US government ethics?
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    Re: Ethics in Government, Should there be any? Who's should they be?

    Can't really choose one or the other…

    Do you think ethics in government should be representative of the voters ethics? Of course.
    Do you think government ethics should be different than the voters personal ethics? Of course.


    See, the thing is, the ethics of voters vary from one end of the ethics spectrum to the other.

    So, really, your choices could mean anything.

    And so could mine.

    Personally, I liked the post by Harry Guerilla:
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
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    The ethics of the Stoic Philosophers are probably the supreme of what anyone could consider right.

    "the foundation of Stoic ethics is that good lies in the state of the soul itself; in wisdom and self-control. Stoic ethics stressed the rule: "Follow where reason leads." One must therefore strive to be free of the passions,"

    "The four cardinal virtues of the Stoic philosophy are wisdom (Sophia), courage (Andreia), justice (Dikaiosyne), and temperance (Sophrosyne)"

    Stoicism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    But someone else might not like those ethical suggestions, and might thus not call them "ethics".
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    Re: Ethics in Government, Should there be any? Who's should they be?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Can't really choose one or the other…

    Do you think ethics in government should be representative of the voters ethics? Of course.
    Do you think government ethics should be different than the voters personal ethics? Of course.


    See, the thing is, the ethics of voters vary from one end of the ethics spectrum to the other.

    So, really, your choices could mean anything.

    And so could mine.

    Personally, I liked the post by Harry Guerilla:


    But someone else might not like those ethical suggestions, and might thus not call them "ethics".
    I think you may be right that perhaps I didn't phase the poll questions as well as I might have. And I also agree with Harry's cardinal virtues as being a good standard for government and their policies. I think they are the same virtues that most of us teach our children.

    My observations have been that many think the government is not bound by the same ethics we teach our children. That it is ok for the government to kill others because they have something you want. That it is ok to attack someone before they attack you. That it is ok to be greedy, let the less fortunate fend for themselves.
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    Re: Ethics in Government, Should there be any? Who's should they be?

    It doesn't matter. The ethics they portray on the surface level could just as easily be false. Government is too complex for most people to follow these days because it has gotten so big. The several hundred page drafts in federal congress are a good example of that.

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    Re: Ethics in Government, Should there be any? Who's should they be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I believe we do teach our children those those virtues today, but that we allow different standards by our government.

    If we are to follow the virtues of wisdom, justice, courage, and temperance, would we let our economy fail, would that be wise?
    I can't find many examples of anyone holding those personal ethics.

    It's representative in all aspects of our lives, the belief that "stuff" will make you happy.
    Most people want "stuff" and want the government to help them get that "stuff."

    Happiness is not defined by how much money or stuff you have but how you live your life.
    This type of thought is considered antiquated from what I've seen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We are in agreement about our military dominance of other countries for their resources.

    While looking at ways to improve the economy, wouldn't it be wise to also look at ways both to reduce our dependence on a declining supply of oil and reducing our contribution to climate change?

    In this way, the clunker car program addressed 3 major problems with one stone.
    I do not believe in man made climate change and really don't want to debate that right now.

    There are to many people that don't question everything.
    Everyone should be asking "why" instead of taking everything as fact.
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    Re: Ethics in Government, Should there be any? Who's should they be?

    Its a representative democracy as in the public elect a group of people to run things as they see fit.
    The third-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the majority. The second-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the minority. The first-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking.

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