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  • Put them in Jail, Bankrupt them, Slave them, and take there Educations away, like it is now.

    3 11.11%
  • Leave Drug Addicts Alone & No More Drug Testing for Jobs

    3 11.11%
  • Help Them Get Treatment & No More Drug Testing for Jobs

    4 14.81%
  • Other Helpful Ideas

    12 44.44%
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    1. The Drug War is nothing but socialism for the Police
    I wonder what this is supposed to mean?
    2. They can seek help themselves (through friends, family, etc) or Meet the Reaper
    Right, well, that's very charitable and caring of you.
    But psshht..., I've got news for you: the alternative to getting "help" is not death, drug users aren't debilitated morons, many manage just fine, with or without drugs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    the way to solve the drug problem, is to give each addict two pounds of their drug of choice, every week. soon the problem would be over. Harsh, but hey---
    I'd like to get some regular money to pay the rent and buy food and stuff as well, and I promise never to bother you again. lol
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I agree. I've worked with a few who seemed to have no predisposition for psychosis, yet after using LSD, had a psychotic break. This does not happen all the time, of course, but it can occur.
    Honestly, I can see how that would happen. On the brink of an ego death experience, it's very easy to panic and try to fight what is happening to you. That's why I don't recommend LSD to anyone, even though I enjoy it and have had no issues.
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    It's more of a start. As far as I'm concerned, I strongly support governmental social programs to help the needy... however, I do not support those being helped NOT doing something to help themselves. Using governmental money for food, shelter, clothing, and to improve their lives so that they no longer need government assistance would be far less possible if they are using the governments money for drugs... currently illegal, anyway. As far as I'm concerned, if one wants help, one must be willing to help themselves, also.



    Or a great way to get kids who are heading down an addictive path to getting some help. This already occurs in a lot of the schools I deal with.



    With the plan that I outlined, and the fact that a majority (as far as I can recall) of major crimes involve some sort of intoxication/drugs/alcohol, this seems to be a reasonable deterrent towards someone getting help.
    So you support the stomp on those on Welfare peeps rights simply because YOU do not feel they are doing enough? You think it warrents a drug test simply cause you feel they could do more? Are you aware that you simply cannot be on welfare in most states these days without looking for work? I would have thought you knew that. But no matter. You wish to make these folks feel like crap by making them feel sub-human. Unreal!

    Then lets not simply kick those welfare folks down by being even more involved into their lives lets start drug testing teens in public schools! Again: Unreal and let me tell you this: there is no way in hell that should be legal! If I had a child in a school that did this? I would be contacting the ACLU!

    The majority of pedofreaks are white males. Guess we need to round em all up and put em into some sort of program. Social program for all white males. Especially if they happen to be Catholic.
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    How different are the reactions to an "overdose" of cigarettes to an overdose of heroin? That should tell you something, too.
    Still does not change my fact..
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    So you support the stomp on those on Welfare rights simply because YOU do not feel they are doing enough? You think it warrents a drug test simply cause you feel they could do more? Are you aware that you simply cannot be on welfare in most states these days without looking for work? I would have thought you knew that. But no matter. You wish to make these folks feel like crap by making them feel sub-human. Unreal!
    I support folks receiving government assistance. I support these folks using the government assistance for living expenses. I do NOT support folks using government assistance for substance use. Just like I do not support folks using government assistance to buy 72" flat screen TVs. If they need assistance, they need to use it in order to live... food, clothing, shelter. I have no problem with the government auditing any of these folks. My brother is on SSD. He gets audited every year.

    I want these people to feel better about themselves by being able to support themselves. To do that, they need to work and be productive. These are my tax dollars. I'm fine with them being used to help others. I am NOT fine with them being used to help others who are not helping themselves.

    Then lets not simply kick those welfare folks down by being even more involved into their lives lets start drug testing teens in public schools! Again: Unreal and let me tell you this: there is no way in hell that should be legal! If I had a child in a school that did this? I would be contacting the ACLU!
    Since most addicts start when they are teens, I support drug testing (with suspicion, only) as a type of early intervention. Sometimes it is just normal teen experimentation. Sometimes it is not. I support this being dealt with early, rather than it not being caught until the person is in their 20's or more and has already created many problems in their lives.

    The majority of pedofreaks are white males. Guess we need to round em all up and put em into some sort of program. Social program for all white males. Especially if they happen to be Catholic.
    This has zero correlation to what I was talking about.
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Still does not change my fact..
    But it places it in perspective.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    But it places it in perspective.
    The hell it does and I am done speaking with you! (Edit-mean in this thread. )

    You keep on thinking we should treat those on Welfare as subhumans and keep supporting them having to pee in a cup to PLEASE people like you and I will keep on thinking they should be treated with the same kind of dignity and respect as any other human being on this planet has!

    You keep on thinking making some teen in the ghetto being devalued by having to pee in a cup is gonna prevent any damn thing and I will keep thinking that we need to treat people like people, create MORE social programs that make these folks you seem to wish to devalue and knock down a peg or two like real people!

    I am sorry but we are gonna agree to disagree..

    Meanwhile I will keep writing letters and trying to create better ideas and social programs on how to help folks that need it without somehow making it all seem criminal in the process.

    You have a cool night..
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    The hell it does and I am done speaking with you! (Edit-mean in this thread. )
    Well good... I wouldn't want you to never speak to me again.

    You keep on thinking we should treat those on Welfare as subhumans and keep supporting them having to pee in a cup to PLEASE people like you and I will keep on thinking they should be treated with the same kind of dignity and respect as any other human being on this planet has!
    I do not want to treat those on Welfare as subhumans. I also support any job doing random drug screens if they choose. Being on welfare is being paid by the government... similar to being paid by a job. I do not want people squandering their productivity, especially when they are in need of assistance, anyway.

    You keep on thinking making some teen in the ghetto being devalued by having to pee in a cup is gonna prevent any damn thing and I will keep thinking that we need to treat people like people, create MORE social programs that make these folks you seem to wish to devalue and knock down a peg or two like real people!
    Where did I say teens in the "ghetto"? I support drug screens of teens (with suspicion) in ANY school, ghetto, upper class, whatever. Kids that I work with go to some pretty upper class private schools. I think they should be treated just the same as anyone else... they act just the same as anyone else.

    I am sorry but we are gonna agree to disagree..
    I suppose so.

    Meanwhile I will keep writing letters and trying to create better ideas and social programs on how to help folks that need it without somehow making it all seem criminal in the process.
    I am also in favor of more social programs to help folks. If you saw my outline, I want to provide free substance abuse treatment to anyone who needs/wants it. However, I also don't want folks to ACT like criminals.

    You have a cool night..
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    I think the idea that we provide assistance to the needy so that they can FEEL good about themselves is seriously misguided. We provide assistance so they can acquire the basics to living. Ensuring no substance abuse is occurring, they need drug screening. Ensuring no squandering of assistance money on flat screen TVs is occurring, they need auditing. It is not free money that they can do as they wish.

    Drug testing can be saliva-based, instead of urine.

    I support putting the needy in government housing - no cash involved. I support green stamps or an updated food card that allows them to shop for food. They can get clothes at goodwill. None of this would require cash. Then they won't have the cash to spend on drugs.

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