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  • Put them in Jail, Bankrupt them, Slave them, and take there Educations away, like it is now.

    3 11.11%
  • Leave Drug Addicts Alone & No More Drug Testing for Jobs

    3 11.11%
  • Help Them Get Treatment & No More Drug Testing for Jobs

    4 14.81%
  • Other Helpful Ideas

    12 44.44%
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Thats EXACTLY what I am saying. If there is evidence that it impacts the job, the employer should have every right to fire them.
    If there is nothing evidencing impact on the job, an employer has no right delving into the private lives of its employees. You don't surrender your entire life to an employer as a condition of employment.
    I agree that drug usage outside of the job is frankly none of the employer's business. However, the employer should be able to require anything from an employee. If someone wants to own a business and not allow black people to frequent it, I think they should be able to. They can, however, expect to lose my business.
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I agree that drug usage outside of the job is frankly none of the employer's business. However, the employer should be able to require anything from an employee. If someone wants to own a business and not allow black people to frequent it, I think they should be able to. They can, however, expect to lose my business.
    Well, there's a first, we agree on something.....

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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Well, there's a first, we agree on something.....
    Did Hell freeze over and I missed it?
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I think you mean LSD, not LCD. Well then let us take two Schedule 1 drugs as an example. How is LSD as dangerous as methamphetamine? And if it is not, how does the government justify categorizing them in the same category?
    Thanks for the correction, I did mean LSD (typo). And LSD is very dangerous, one thing it does is lodge itself in your spine, and can be released randomly causing a trip. My cousin was in a car with a driver who used to do LSD. He had a trip and swerved though several lanes on the interstate to avoid hitting the pterodactyl in the middle of the road. LSD can also cause serious mental side effects in people who use it.

    I don't think the government should put all drugs and illegal substances under the same category. I strongly support having simple fines or community service followed by rehab for drug users. Jailing them is too much in my opinion. Not all drugs are equal, and thus punishments should be altered in severity in relation to the drug. Right now my uncle is in jail for selling ecstasy, his sentence (if I remember correctly) is 10-20 years in prison (although they are appealing and it looks like they may win with an appeal for a lighter sentence). I think the jails are too crowded, they should be there for rapists and murderers, not occasional drug users.

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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Thanks for the correction, I did mean LSD (typo). And LSD is very dangerous, one thing it does is lodge itself in your spine, and can be released randomly causing a trip.
    Absolutely erroneous. This is a myth:

    Urban legends about illegal drugs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    My cousin was in a car with a driver who used to do LSD. He had a trip and swerved though several lanes on the interstate to avoid hitting the pterodactyl in the middle of the road. LSD can also cause serious mental side effects in people who use it.
    I've taken LSD around 10 times and I've never seen a pterodactyl or anything that was not there. There's usually visual distortion(objects undulating) but not actual hallucinations, at least for me. LSD is only a danger for those who do not know what they are dealing with and those who have a family history of schizophrenia.

    I don't think the government should put all drugs and illegal substances under the same category. I strongly support having simple fines or community service followed by rehab for drug users. Jailing them is too much in my opinion. Not all drugs are equal, and thus punishments should be altered in severity in relation to the drug. Right now my uncle is in jail for selling ecstasy, his sentence (if I remember correctly) is 10-20 years in prison (although they are appealing and it looks like they may win with an appeal for a lighter sentence). I think the jails are too crowded, they should be there for rapists and murderers, not occasional drug users.
    It seems we agree on this.
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Absolutely erroneous. This is a myth:

    Urban legends about illegal drugs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    I've taken LSD around 10 times and I've never seen a pterodactyl or anything that was not there. There's usually visual distortion(objects undulating) but not actual hallucinations, at least for me. LSD is only a danger for those who do not know what they are dealing with and those who have a family history of schizophrenia.


    It seems we agree on this.
    Although you are correct about the "spinal fluid" myth and the potential effects on those who may have a family history of schizophrenia, dangerous reactions (possible psychosis, most often temporary) can occur in folks who have some sort of psychiatric illness (depression, panic, etc...) or even in seemingly healthy individuals. It's like any other drug in the sense that it can worse any psychological symptoms that one suffers, or could assist in their creation.
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    I know several people for whom LSD triggered a psychotic episode, one of them ended up in mental care for more than 10 years.

    Not a drug to be taken lightly with the concept of having "fun".
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by roderic View Post
    I know several people for whom LSD triggered a psychotic episode, one of them ended up in mental care for more than 10 years.

    Not a drug to be taken lightly with the concept of having "fun".
    I agree. I've worked with a few who seemed to have no predisposition for psychosis, yet after using LSD, had a psychotic break. This does not happen all the time, of course, but it can occur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I think you mean LSD, not LCD. Well then let us take two Schedule 1 drugs as an example. How is LSD as dangerous as methamphetamine? And if it is not, how does the government justify categorizing them in the same category?
    Two entirely different animals, the dangers posed are very different as well, but the level of "dangerousness" is considered to be comparable by the law-makers.

    I don't think either should be criminalised for usage, but dispense licensed and regulated.
    If people want to do drugs they will, illegal or not.
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I agree. I've worked with a few who seemed to have no predisposition for psychosis, yet after using LSD, had a psychotic break. This does not happen all the time, of course, but it can occur.
    That is why psilocybin is the hallucinogen of choice.

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