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  • Put them in Jail, Bankrupt them, Slave them, and take there Educations away, like it is now.

    3 11.11%
  • Leave Drug Addicts Alone & No More Drug Testing for Jobs

    3 11.11%
  • Help Them Get Treatment & No More Drug Testing for Jobs

    4 14.81%
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    12 44.44%
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    CaptainCourtesy, Why do you feel that Welfare recipients should have to submit to drug testing? Don't you think that is kind of unfair considering everybody else in the U.S.A. is not forced to do it?

    Seems a tad discriminatory to me since everybody in this country benefits from some sort of social program(s) so why single welfare folks out?

    And random drug screenings at school with suspicion? You gotta be kidding me? What a nice way to get teen drop-outs.

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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Usually the reason why employers drug test is that it gets them a better insurance rate. I am against the war on drugs. I think that you own you and thus you ought to be able to do whatever you want with your own body, but I am not sure how its fair to tell an employer that they have to pay higher insurance rates because they can no longer drug test their employees.
    Then take this up with the insurance folks! Do not punish hard working people who happen to get high now and again.
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Not all drugs are equal. Marijuana is not as bad as heroine or most other drugs. However, I don't think cannabis use is a good thing (just like smoking isn't good in the health sense either). I wouldn't say it's dangerous if done privately outside of work and when you aren't planning on driving. Again, not all drugs are equal, marijuana shouldn't have the same status as cocaine, heroine, LCD, and other drugs.
    Cigs are harder to quit than heroine but they are legal. That should tell ya something.
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    If I regularly smoke pot, is that a "dangerous" habit?
    Could be. Depends on if you are addicted and the additional behaviors that may go along with your use.
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    CaptainCourtesy, Why do you feel that Welfare recipients should have to submit to drug testing? Don't you think that is kind of unfair considering everybody else in the U.S.A. is not forced to do it?

    Seems a tad discriminatory to me since everybody in this country benefits from some sort of social program(s) so why single welfare folks out?
    It's more of a start. As far as I'm concerned, I strongly support governmental social programs to help the needy... however, I do not support those being helped NOT doing something to help themselves. Using governmental money for food, shelter, clothing, and to improve their lives so that they no longer need government assistance would be far less possible if they are using the governments money for drugs... currently illegal, anyway. As far as I'm concerned, if one wants help, one must be willing to help themselves, also.

    And random drug screenings at school with suspicion? You gotta be kidding me? What a nice way to get teen drop-outs.
    Or a great way to get kids who are heading down an addictive path to getting some help. This already occurs in a lot of the schools I deal with.

    Any crime committed while intoxicated receives DOUBLE the consequences? Walk all over a persons rights! OMG!
    With the plan that I outlined, and the fact that a majority (as far as I can recall) of major crimes involve some sort of intoxication/drugs/alcohol, this seems to be a reasonable deterrent towards someone getting help.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Cigs are harder to quit than heroine but they are legal. That should tell ya something.
    How different are the reactions to an "overdose" of cigarettes to an overdose of heroin? That should tell you something, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Having my pee or strain of hair is not someone elses right either.
    Nope, but if you don't want to provide it, you can go look for a job elsewhere. If nobody wants to hire you without a drug test, you can starve. Simple, huh?
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Not all drugs are equal. Marijuana is not as bad as heroine or most other drugs. However, I don't think cannabis use is a good thing (just like smoking isn't good in the health sense either). I wouldn't say it's dangerous if done privately outside of work and when you aren't planning on driving. Again, not all drugs are equal, marijuana shouldn't have the same status as cocaine, heroine, LCD, and other drugs.
    I think you mean LSD, not LCD. Well then let us take two Schedule 1 drugs as an example. How is LSD as dangerous as methamphetamine? And if it is not, how does the government justify categorizing them in the same category?
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Could be. Depends on if you are addicted and the additional behaviors that may go along with your use.
    I think the issue is that terms like "dangerous" are relative. I think everyone has their own definition of what "dangerous" means to them. For example, some people consider keeping a gun in the home a danger. Others think it makes them safer.
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