View Poll Results: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

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  • Put them in Jail, Bankrupt them, Slave them, and take there Educations away, like it is now.

    3 11.11%
  • Leave Drug Addicts Alone & No More Drug Testing for Jobs

    3 11.11%
  • Help Them Get Treatment & No More Drug Testing for Jobs

    4 14.81%
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    12 44.44%
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Where is the option for jailing them for breaking the law and then sending them to a rehab to help them kick dangerous and illegal habits? That's where my vote lies.

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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sounds a little big brother/big government.

    Why should an employer have any business knowing the private lives of an employee as long as it doesn't affect their job?

    Base employment of job performance, not on big brother snooping into private lives.
    Well, that kinda depends.

    Want a drunk running a crane?

    How about a methhead inspecting the parts put into the airplane you'll be flying next week?

    Should a pothead's "rights" be more important than the employer who's expecting him to be able to scan your biopsy for cancer cells carefully?

    I agree that someone's drug habit off-hours isn't relevant, unless there's evidence that such use impacts the job.

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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Where is the option for jailing them for breaking the law and then sending them to a rehab to help them kick dangerous and illegal habits? That's where my vote lies.
    If I regularly smoke pot, is that a "dangerous" habit?
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There is no civil right to take illegal drugs, sorry.
    Exactly. A lot of people confuse rights with privileges. There is a huge difference. But, as far as privileges go, I don't see how drug use could be described as one. It is truly hell, and I wouldn't wish that privilege, or right, if someone wants to call it that, on anyone.
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I agree that someone's drug habit off-hours isn't relevant, unless there's evidence that such use impacts the job.
    Thats EXACTLY what I am saying. If there is evidence that it impacts the job, the employer should have every right to fire them.
    If there is nothing evidencing impact on the job, an employer has no right delving into the private lives of its employees. You don't surrender your entire life to an employer as a condition of employment.
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Thats EXACTLY what I am saying. If there is evidence that it impacts the job, the employer should have every right to fire them.
    Then the employer has to be able to test for drug use.

    Oh.

    I get it.

    You want the part in your airplane to FAIL first, and then the FAA can determine that it wrongly passed inspection because the inspector was doing Extacy and didn't notice it.

    Good plan.

    After all, the lives of potentially thousands are at stake, yet you don't want the employer ensuring his employees are sober.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    If there is nothing evidencing impact on the job, an employer has no right delving into the private lives of its employees. You don't surrender your entire life to an employer as a condition of employment.
    Here's a hint: It ain't the employee's job, it's the employer's job, and if the employer wants to accept the expense of random drug testing as a requirement for certain jobs, that's his business. The employee that doesn't like this has every freedom to find an altnerative occupation.

    So many socialists can't figure out this simple fact.

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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Exactly. A lot of people confuse rights with privileges. There is a huge difference. But, as far as privileges go, I don't see how drug use could be described as one. It is truly hell, and I wouldn't wish that privilege, or right, if someone wants to call it that, on anyone.
    The right is the ability to make your own choices and be damned to public opinion, you'll take the consequences.

    It's called "freedom".

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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    If I regularly smoke pot, is that a "dangerous" habit?
    Not all drugs are equal. Marijuana is not as bad as heroine or most other drugs. However, I don't think cannabis use is a good thing (just like smoking isn't good in the health sense either). I wouldn't say it's dangerous if done privately outside of work and when you aren't planning on driving. Again, not all drugs are equal, marijuana shouldn't have the same status as cocaine, heroine, LCD, and other drugs.

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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The right is the ability to make your own choices and be damned to public opinion, you'll take the consequences.

    It's called "freedom".
    Freedom rarely comes without responsibility or consequence. You can take the drugs but there may be unintended consequences, such as losing your job or going to jail. Just because you're free doesn't mean you're free from responsibility.
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Freedom rarely comes without responsibility or consequence. You can take the drugs but there may be unintended consequences, such as losing your job or going to jail. Just because you're free doesn't mean you're free from responsibility.
    There ya go.

    Losing the job? That's the boss's job, drug should not be banned because employers fire drug users, nor should employers be restrained from firing drug users.

    Going to jail? Should only happen when the crime either hurts someone or is universally recognized as having such a high probability of causing harm that the act itself is punished to deter the behavior, such as driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs. The mere possession of a substance, no matter how much, should not be a matter for the police...

    ...with one caveat, namely that since it's in society's best interest to keep drugs away from children, sellers must be licensed and registered, as are tobacco and alcohol outlets.

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