View Poll Results: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

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  • Put them in Jail, Bankrupt them, Slave them, and take there Educations away, like it is now.

    3 11.11%
  • Leave Drug Addicts Alone & No More Drug Testing for Jobs

    3 11.11%
  • Help Them Get Treatment & No More Drug Testing for Jobs

    4 14.81%
  • Other Helpful Ideas

    12 44.44%
  • None

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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Yes....allowing businesses to essentially spy on the private lives of people is big brother and big government.
    You want to couch it into an argument that a business should be able to do whatever they want.
    Sorry....not as long as they want to do business in the United States. We have laws that say that employers cannot discriminate, have to comply with employment laws and we have something called the US Constitution that businesses have to comply with as well.

    Let job performance dictate the companies decisions. They have no right to be involved in the personal lives of their workers. Maybe in China...but not in America.
    I take it you are not and never have been nor likely ever WILL be an employer...

    MOST (I never say all) employers care about their bottom line. They couldnt care less what their employees do off duty provided that while they are at work they are safe, respectful, and most importantly, professional. They invest a lot of money in hiring and training people (even places like call centers...it costs them a LOT of money to hire, train, prep employees).

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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Speaking As a drug addict myself, I can state to a certainty that the only one who can help a drug addict is the drug addict.

    Why would I say that I am a drug addict, when I haven't used drugs in 25 years? Because I know what I am. I will be a drug addict until the day I die. I just choose not to take drugs. Until I realized this fact, any amount of "help" would have been wasted on me. It was up to me to quit using drugs, not others, and certainly not the government. I feel no pity for those who are still strung out. They made a choice, and are now facing the consequences for that choice. If they so choose, they can also make another choice, and that is to quit using drugs. I am not Superman, so I know for a fact that, if I can choose not to take drugs, so can anyone else.

    Same goes with alcoholics. Ever hear of this expression?



    It is exactly the same with drug addicts. The first step in choosing not to take drugs is for the addict to rid himself or herself of self pity, and then, like the Nike commercial says, just do it. It isn't easy, but once the choice is made, it can be done. In my life, I have been addicted to heroin and cocaine. During that time, I have taken just about every drug there is to take. I also survived, and I did it out of choice, not for any other reason.

    For those who say "Damn, Danarhea, you are a cold man in telling people they have to do something so hard". My response to that is "Who said that life is supposed to be easy"? You get out of life the effort you put into it. Effort is rewarding. No effort means that you are screwed, and there is nobody to blame but yourself, so either take the consequences or take the rewards. It is all up to you.

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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I take it you are not and never have been nor likely ever WILL be an employer...

    MOST (I never say all) employers care about their bottom line. They couldnt care less what their employees do off duty provided that while they are at work they are safe, respectful, and most importantly, professional. They invest a lot of money in hiring and training people (even places like call centers...it costs them a LOT of money to hire, train, prep employees).
    That's EXACTLY why I say let job performance dictate employment. If it effects your job then the employer should be able to terminate the employee.
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Asking someone to pee in a cup is not the same thing as spying on their private lives. What's more, a private employer is not the government, which makes your reference to "big government" absurd and perplexing.

    Either way, no one is forcing you to pee in the cup. If you don't want to pee in the cup, then you can just work somewhere else.



    I never said that. I said business owners should be able to exercise their basic property rights, i.e., dispensing with their money and property as they see fit.



    And the vast majority of those laws are infringements on private property rights.



    And you say you're a lawyer!? You know the US Constitution is a restriction on government, not individuals, right? Maybe you're the one who needs to take a Con Law class, DD...



    They have a right to impose preconditions on the dispensation of their money and the use of their property. If you do not find the preconditions of that dispensation favorable, then you can simply refuse the terms and find someone more inclined to dispense of their possessions in a manner consistent with your desires.

    This is called individual liberty and personal responsibility. Nothing is guaranteed in this life except that it is entirely your's. Some people find this prospect frightening, so they require a nanny government to sooth and coddle them when reality does not conform to their infantile desires.
    Sorry...but you are wrong. The Constitution primarily involves restrictions on government. However, private companies/corporations have to comply with the same restrictions that the Constitution dictates.

    Why do you think it is that a business cannot refuse to hire blacks or women?
    Why do you think it is that a business cannot refuse patronage to latinos or asians?

    It IS BIG Government because government allowing companies to be intimately involved in the lives of their citizens is akin to the government doing it themselves.
    Why stop at a drug test. Why not allow businesses to require their employees to wear a GPS device to monitor where they go and when they are at home. Afterall, a company shouldn't have to hire someone that stays out til 2:00 in the morning every night, right?
    As a company owner, don't I have the same right to require my employees come to work every day refreshed and ready to work? After all its my company....my rules....right?
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That's EXACTLY why I say let job performance dictate employment. If it effects your job then the employer should be able to terminate the employee.
    Usually the reason why employers drug test is that it gets them a better insurance rate. I am against the war on drugs. I think that you own you and thus you ought to be able to do whatever you want with your own body, but I am not sure how its fair to tell an employer that they have to pay higher insurance rates because they can no longer drug test their employees.
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Why do drug users need help? I can understand addicts needing assistance.
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Employers should be able to drug-test their employers for whatever reason they want. Don't like it, don't take the job.
    i can't believe i agree with this, but i do.

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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    It's really difficult to help any addict until he realizes he needs help and actively seeks it. This often seems to happen when the addict encounters a brick wall in his/her life. I'm all for helping those who actually want it and seek it of their own volition, but otherwise, it's a waste of resources and emotional energy to worry about it.

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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    I love how biased the poll is, just what we expect from libertarians. The only choices given are "enslave and abuse them" or "make it easier for them to get and use drugs.

    It's really not that difficult, although as others have said, drug users have to want to get themselves off drugs, it cannot be imposed upon them by fiat. I don't think users (as opposed to dealers and distributors) ought to be in prison at all. They ought to be in in-patient drug treatment programs, paid for by an actual "war on drugs", not the namby-pamby media campaign on drugs we have now. If our goal is the actual eradication of drugs, we're going about it all wrong at the moment. The government just wants us to think they're doing something while all along, they're just making a lot of vague gestures and comforting noises and not actually accomplishing a damn thing.
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    Re: How Can We Help Drug Addicts & Users?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Private Employers? Maybe. Others? Not so much. I feel it is a tread on civil rights.
    There is no civil right to take illegal drugs, sorry.
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