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Thread: Should the census count illegals?

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Then whats the point of counting them, if they aren't represented and they aren't allowed to receive benefits what purpose does it serve?
    They're still affected by what the government does. Felons and people under 18 don't get to vote, but we still count them for purposes of representation.
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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    What does the Constitution say?
    Hey, there's an idea.

    "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

    (subject to the changes of the 14th amendment of course)

    So it basically says "Persons." Not citizens, or citizens and legal aliens. Just persons.

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    They're still affected by what the government does. Felons and people under 18 don't get to vote, but we still count them for purposes of representation.
    I can't say I agree with it.

    I don't agree with released felons being restricted either though.
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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    We might have added some questions in order to give us a better idea of how to distribute money, but that doesn't change the fact that the constitutionally required purpose of the census is to apportion representation, for which it requires a count of all persons.

    I don't see anything wrong with using two different sets of numbers - citizens + illegals for determining representation, and citizens for distributing benefits.
    Persons in the country illegally should not be represented in Congress.

    The Congress wasn't established for their benefit.

    Read that part of the Constitution you deem "irrelevant", the Preamble.

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Yes...as undocumented and illegal immigrants...

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Once more, can we differentiate here between opinion and fact?

    WILL illegal aliens be counted? Yes, because that's what the Constitution and the law provides. This is a fact, it's not subject to debate.

    SHOULD they be counted? That's what this discussion should be about.

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Once more, can we differentiate here between opinion and fact?

    WILL illegal aliens be counted? Yes, because that's what the Constitution and the law provides. This is a fact, it's not subject to debate.

    SHOULD they be counted? That's what this discussion should be about.
    You mean like the title of the thread says?

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You mean like the title of the thread says?
    Yes, exactly. However, too many here are trying to support their opinion by arguing that the law and the Constitution says something that it does not.

    Members of Congress are trying to change the law now so as not to count illegals, which is a pretty good indication that even they know what the law really is.

    Arguing that the law does not allow the counting of illegals is incorrect; that's all I am saying. Should the law be changed? That's a worthy subject for debate.

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't care if illegals are here but they have no right to representation, none at all.
    They have no right to government benefits either.
    I care that they are here and find it a big problem but totally agree with the rest of your post. Pretty much sums up my feelings on it.
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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    WILL illegal aliens be counted? Yes, because that's what the Constitution and the law provides. This is a fact, it's not subject to debate.
    If only that were so simple. There's a solid contingent here who would tell you that no means yes and up means down.

    SHOULD they be counted? That's what this discussion should be about.
    Yes, because the laws made in Congress affect them like everyone else. If we include felons and children, I don't see why we shouldn't count illegals.
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