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Thread: Should the census count illegals?

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Yes, so they can locate them & deport them.....
    Good asnwer!

    But the idea that illegals shoud be represented in Congress (by their affecting congressional apportionments) is gravely inane, and so they should NOT be counted.

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Good asnwer!

    But the idea that illegals shoud be represented in Congress (by their affecting congressional apportionments) is gravely inane, and so they should NOT be counted.
    Then amend the Constitution.

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Then amend the Constitution.
    Rather than just ignore it, as per the norm with our friend on the left, that sounds like a great idea.

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You are aware that the 14th Amendment is the poorly worded Amendment that created the "Anchor Baby", aren't you?
    You are aware that neither I nor the courts give two ****s about whether you think it's poorly worded, aren't you?

    It is what it is. Don't like it, get it changed.

    The presumption made in that Amendment was that the persons were in the country legally.
    Link? Give me some primary documents that indicate that's what they were thinking.

    How about if you people name a good reason why they should be counted, since the Constituiton doesn't support you?
    This would be impressive if it weren't so absurd.

    Law: "Ice cream is banned"
    Me: "Like the law says, we shouldn't be eating ice cream."
    You: "That's obviously not what the law means, when they passed it they were really thinking about iced cream, like if you took those little cream packets from McDonalds and froze them and threw them at cars. They banned that because its dangerous.
    Me: "No, the law says 'ice cream is banned'"
    You "How about you name a good reason that ice cream should be banned, since the law doesn't agree."

    I don't have to name a good reason why they should be counted. The Constitution says so. /thread
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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Well, the reason not to count them is because they shouldn't be represented. When determining how many districts a state should have, that could be an issue.

    However, there are also reasons to count them:

    1. The census counts people in the US. They are people. They are in the US.

    2. The census also counts legal immigrants -- people who have green cards and are here legally but still cannot vote. For that matter, it counts children and prisoners who can't vote either.

    3. States and localities that have illegal immigrants have expenses related to that, and since some federal funding is based on the population they could use that money. If there are costs associated with having 1,000,000 in your district, those costs aren't necessarily lower because 100,000 of them are illegally here.

    So I kind of see both sides here.

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Law: "Ice cream is banned"
    Me: "Like the law says, we shouldn't be eating ice cream."
    You: "That's obviously not what the law means, when they passed it they were really thinking about iced cream, like if you took those little cream packets from McDonalds and froze them and threw them at cars. They banned that because its dangerous.
    Me: "No, the law says 'ice cream is banned'"
    You "How about you name a good reason that ice cream should be banned, since the law doesn't agree."
    Best. Analogy. Ever.
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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You are aware that not all Native Americans did not become citizens until 1924? So apparently the 14th does not apply to non-citizens.

    [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Citizenship_Act_of_1924[/ame]
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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You are aware that not all Native Americans did not become citizens until 1924? So apparently the 14th does not apply to non-citizens.

    Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    What? The 14th specifically noted how Native Americans were treated differently in determining the census, not because they were not citizens, but because they had a unique and sovereign relationship with our country. When we included them as taxed citizens, they became countable for representation purposes.

    If they had intended the 14th to apply to citizens instead of persons, they would have said citizens. This isn't really debatable.
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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    I'm quite surprised that Komrade Partisan hasn't yet shouted that the majority of illegal immigrants are "untaxed Indians." He must be having some connectivity issues.

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cochise View Post
    I'm quite surprised that Komrade Partisan hasn't yet shouted that the majority of illegal immigrants are "untaxed Indians." He must be having some connectivity issues.
    While the INDIGENOUS Indians pretty much get a free ride, I'm OK with that...
    It is the illegal Indians from south of the border I have a problem with....
    & let's not forget the illegal asians as well.....
    Glad to see they got the power restored on the Rez, Chief.....
    Last edited by Partisan; 02-17-10 at 06:42 PM.

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