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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    ....we don't count natives?
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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I say no.States should not profit from illegal activities nor should there be any political gain from illegal activities.


    Census Reaches Out to Hispanics, Illegal Immigrants - ABC News
    Should it be illegal for a man to seek a better life?

    And, come to think of it, this census may now be old fashioned and un-necessary.

    Are borders also passe?

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Let's look at the Preamble:

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
    It says "our posterity".

    Just in case some of you are confused, posterity is not the practice of sitting up straight with your knees and ankles together, shoulders parallel to your hips, with your elbows in close.

    No, "our posterity" means "our descendants".

    The Constitution was not written to protect criminals entering the country illegal or to give them representation in our Congress.

    No.

    Illegals should not be counted when the apportioning of congressional districts is determined, and that's the sole purpose of the Census.

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Should it be illegal for a man to seek a better life?
    No.

    But it is illegal for aliens to enter this country without permission.

    They can do all the seeking they want in their home country.

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Yes. It says to count them.
    Really??

    There's a clause in the Constitution that commands the counting of invading hordes of aliens?

    Got any clue why illegal aliens are called "illegal aliens"? It's because they broke laws to get here. They're criminals.

    The only valid reason to count them would be to find them, round them up, and ship them out. Since they have no right to be here, they should not be counted to influence to distribution of Congressmen among the states.

    Since they are not supposed to be here, since they are here illegally, explain why they should be given representation.

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ....we don't count natives?
    We didn't used to, but ever since we started taxing all of them back in the 30's, they've been counted just like everyone else. Nowadays, the census covers absolutely everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Let's look at the Preamble

    Illegals should not be counted when the apportioning of congressional districts is determined, and that's the sole purpose of the Census.
    Good point, your amateur analysis of an unrelated portion of the Constitution is more compelling than the actual words of the directly related portion of the constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Really??

    There's a clause in the Constitution that commands the counting of invading hordes of aliens
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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You are aware that the 14th Amendment is the poorly worded Amendment that created the "Anchor Baby", aren't you?

    The presumption made in that Amendment was that the persons were in the country legally.

    No one in their right mind....especially not the white guys that won the civil war, would expect that people would allow their country to be overrun by aliens violating all laws and then count those invaders to determine the apportionment of Congress.

    Just like they phrased what become the Anchor Baby law merely to stop Southern Democrats from claiming the sons of former slaves were not citizens and hence ineligible to vote. Under no circumstances can anyone honestly argue that the Anchor Baby rule was intended by the authors of this Amendment to mean a knocked up invader could sneak into the country and drop a baby and then be exempt from deportation.

    How about if you people name a good reason why they should be counted, since the Constituiton doesn't support you?

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    True dat.....

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Good point, your amateur analysis of an unrelated portion of the Constitution is more compelling than the actual words of the directly related portion of the constitution.
    Yes, clearly the portion of the Constitution that states WHY we have the Constitution is completely unrelated to everything in the document. Why, if we kept in mind what the Constitution is for, by reading the Preamble, we might not forget that the Constitution is about protecting OUR freedoms, not an excuse to provide any service anyone could want at taxpayer expense.

    We might start to think the Constitution and thus the government exist to protect us, not rob us, to ensure our freedoms, not our slave chains.

    Damn, yes, you people better get an Amendment passed right away eliminating the Preamble, since it's causing you people so many problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
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    Yes, your mindless citing of the 14th without making the least attempt to understand it is indicative of the general robotic failure of all the people who hate America.

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    Re: Should the census count illegals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You are aware that the 14th Amendment is the poorly worded Amendment that created the "Anchor Baby", aren't you?

    The presumption made in that Amendment was that the persons were in the country legally.

    No one in their right mind....especially not the white guys that won the civil war, would expect that people would allow their country to be overrun by aliens violating all laws and then count those invaders to determine the apportionment of Congress.

    Just like they phrased what become the Anchor Baby law merely to stop Southern Democrats from claiming the sons of former slaves were not citizens and hence ineligible to vote. Under no circumstances can anyone honestly argue that the Anchor Baby rule was intended by the authors of this Amendment to mean a knocked up invader could sneak into the country and drop a baby and then be exempt from deportation.

    How about if you people name a good reason why they should be counted, since the Constituiton doesn't support you?
    Poorly worded because you disagree with those portions of it.

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