View Poll Results: Who should pay for these search and rescues?

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  • The State should provide this service for anyone in distress

    4 11.43%
  • There should be a case by case review based on the risk taker's level of responsiblity

    11 31.43%
  • The risk taker should pay on a sliding scale, depending on his income

    5 14.29%
  • If you risk your life and an expensive rescue ensues, it should be 100% your responsibility

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  • Other, please explain

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Thread: Who should pay for expensive Search and Rescues for risk taking adventurers?

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    Who should pay for expensive Search and Rescues for risk taking adventurers?

    So, a guy goes up Mt St Helens in the middle of winter, goes to the edge of the crater which authorities advise against, an unstable cornice gives way, and he falls. Now an expensive rescue attempt has ensued.

    You see this all the time, these outdoor adventurers running into trouble in their ill advised risk taking activities, and the State racks up tens of thousands in expenses in rescue attempts. Washington State is in a big budget crisis now, cutting services right and left. So, who should pay for this rescue?



    Search Resumes for Climber on Mount St. Helens - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

    Authorities in Washington state plan to resume rescue efforts Tuesday for a climber who fell into the crater at Mount St. Helens.

    Skamania County undersheriff David Cox said the rescue effort was suspended Monday evening when high winds made footing unstable for search personnel.

    One rescuer reached the floor of the volcano's crater, but had to abandon efforts to find the 50-year-old man because strong downdrafts were dislodging rocks, Cox said.

    "There are always overhanging cornices of snow this time of year, and unless you look carefully, you may not notice that there is nothing but air beneath you," said Rocky Henderson of Portland Mountain Rescue in Oregon, who has climbed to the rim several times.

    Rescue efforts began when a 911 cell phone call was received early Monday afternoon, sheriff's officials said. The caller told dispatchers that the climber was approximately 5 feet from the crater's edge when a snow cornice collapsed.

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    Re: Who should pay for expensive Search and Rescues for risk taking adventurers?

    This sort of stuff happens out here all the time. Usually, though, it's idiots who get stuck or lost up on Mt. Hood (Oregon).

    Nevertheless, I've always felt that the state (any state) shouldn't have to pay for the stupidity of climbers. Climbers know they are taking risks, so the cost of those risks should be theirs to bear. The fact that my tax dollars are being wasted pisses me off even more, but the bottom line is:

    You places your bets and you takes your chances. No one else should have to cover your crappy bets when you lose.

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    Re: Who should pay for expensive Search and Rescues for risk taking adventurers?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    So, who should pay for this rescue?
    In this instance, the victim should pay. He was warned to stay back from the rim and didn't. His failure to heed official warnings caused this accident.

    On a related note; if someone's negligence causes their house to catch fire, shouldn't they be required to reimburse the city for fighting that fire?

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    Re: Who should pay for expensive Search and Rescues for risk taking adventurers?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    In this instance, the victim should pay. He was warned to stay back from the rim and didn't. His failure to heed official warnings caused this accident.

    On a related note; if someone's negligence causes their house to catch fire, shouldn't they be required to reimburse the city for fighting that fire?
    You make a point there.

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    Re: Who should pay for expensive Search and Rescues for risk taking adventurers?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    On a related note; if someone's negligence causes their house to catch fire, shouldn't they be required to reimburse the city for fighting that fire?
    Ehhh.... I'm not sure.

    City and state taxes cover fire fighting costs, don't they? So local governments have already planned for those "expected" costs and have budgeted to cover them.

    Maybe on a case-by-case basis?

    Was someone making incendiary devices in his basement and the place blew up? Did he torch the place intentionally? Then hell yeah, he should pay. But I don't really think the guy whose toaster cord shorted out and caught his kitchen on fire should be charged extra.

    Regardless, any fool who intentionally undertakes a dangerous sport shouldn't expect anyone else to pay for his blunders.
    Last edited by Glinda; 02-16-10 at 01:23 PM.

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    Re: Who should pay for expensive Search and Rescues for risk taking adventurers?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    You make a point there.
    No, it's a crappy point....
    Accidents happen in the home all the time, & one pays for fire department services through his local taxes.....
    Climbing to the top of a mountain in the winter is no accident....
    I say send a volunteer search party in the spring......
    Or, how about a $100,000. non refundable fee for search & rescue, BEFORE you are alowed up?.......
    Of course you can deny coverage, at your own risk......

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    Re: Who should pay for expensive Search and Rescues for risk taking adventurers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    No, it's a crappy point....
    Accidents happen in the home all the time, & one pays for fire department services through his local taxes.....
    Climbing to the top of a mountain in the winter is no accident....
    I say send a volunteer search party in the spring......
    Or, how about a $100,000. non refundable fee for search & rescue, BEFORE you are alowed up?.......
    Of course you can deny coverage, at your own risk......
    I can agree with this.

    There's also the issue about insisting that climbers carry rescue beacon thingies (some sort of GPS unit that can send out a distress signal with an exact location), so emergency services people can find them quickly when they get lost. When they end up searching for days because some a-hole didn't want to carry an extra 3 ounces of weight... well, screw 'im.

    I say such devices should be mandatory (and the climbers should STILL have to cover the rescue costs).

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    Re: Who should pay for expensive Search and Rescues for risk taking adventurers?

    It should be If you risk your life and an expensive rescue ensues, it should be 100% your responsibility.I am so sick and tire hearing about morons who go hiking,stays behind when a flood is occurring or some other disaster or life threatening situation and then tax payers have to foot the the bill to go save their ass. This is as bad as soldiers and marines having to risk their asses to baby sit reporters in war zones or having to risk their assess to go save some reporter who got captured by the enemy. I think there should be a proceed at your own risk clause where no one comes and saves your ass because you did something stupid.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Who should pay for expensive Search and Rescues for risk taking adventurers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    No, it's a crappy point....
    Accidents happen in the home all the time, & one pays for fire department services through his local taxes.....
    Climbing to the top of a mountain in the winter is no accident....
    I say send a volunteer search party in the spring......
    Or, how about a $100,000. non refundable fee for search & rescue, BEFORE you are alowed up?.......
    Of course you can deny coverage, at your own risk......
    Do you understand the concept of negligence?

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    Re: Who should pay for expensive Search and Rescues for risk taking adventurers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Ehhh.... I'm not sure.

    City and state taxes cover fire fighting costs, don't they? So local governments have already planned for those "expected" costs and have budgeted to cover them.
    SAR efforts are also covered by taxes.

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