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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Precisely what I was trying to explain, but far more articulate and understandable.
    Thx

    I know it was long, but I've been through this argument before and was trying to cover all bases, rather than have to answer 42 posts individually.

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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I've explained my position on this before, but I suppose it has been over two months which means I have to go through everything all over again.

    To be effective in instilling discipline in a child, a parent must be involved, loving, attentive, worthy of respect, firm, consistent, and self-controlled. This is the baseline. Discipline without a positive relationship is rarely effective...
    Thank you for that extensive explanation, I am of the opinion that you are an intelligent and caring dad. But I am respectfully going to disagree with your conclusions. Not completely, as they are based on sound logic, but to the degree that I believe there is an alternative to corporal punishment.

    I have to use my own experience as an example (as I am still subject to parental and school discipline). I have no recollection of ever being spanked or hit in any way. My mum disagrees with the method, and my nanny was forbidden to ever use corporal punishment. As I said, neither my present school, nor my previous one, used corporal punishment, and both schools have the highest reputations for turning out academic achievers.

    When I was little, my biggest fear was displeasing my dad (whom I idolised) and the direst threat nanny could employ were the dreaded words "Well, continue with that behaviour, and I shall have to tell Sir William!"

    The majority of punishments meted out before I was sent away to school, consisted of being locked in my room, or the nursery, without my favourite toys. Much soul searching went on while I stared regretfully out of the window at the forbidden lawns and bushes of the grounds below. A reasonably well controlled child was the result.

    At school, less than optimal behaviour, and dereliction of one's studies, resulted in detention in the study room (and still does). The boredom involved is a much greater disincentive than any momentary pain. So boarding schools have moved on from that old description of the Royal Navy - rum, sodomy and the lash. Well at least from the lash bit.

    I think one of the strongest points you made was the explanation to small children why certain actions were undesirable, socially unacceptable, and dangerous. In many cases, and with very small children, just the tone of voice can be a deterrent. A sharp "No!" may startle a toddler, and make him cry, but the message is unmistakable.

    We need to remember that the love of mummy and daddy is the most important thing in the world to very small children, and they will do anything to retain it. My dad died when I was still young, but when he was around, I would consciously avoid doing anything which would disappoint him. All he had to do was voice that disappointment to reduce me to tears.

    So I still believe that there are methods other than violence (no matter how mild) to teach children good behaviour, and when I get married and have children, I never, ever, want them to be afraid of me.
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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Do nothing.
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    And wonder why, if that ability exists..
    My solution would involve less government and more individual liberty. If we started treating people like adults, I'm confident they would act as such...

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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Thank you for that extensive explanation, I am of the opinion that you are an intelligent and caring dad. But I am respectfully going to disagree with your conclusions. Not completely, as they are based on sound logic, but to the degree that I believe there is an alternative to corporal punishment.

    I have to use my own experience as an example (as I am still subject to parental and school discipline). I have no recollection of ever being spanked or hit in any way. My mum disagrees with the method, and my nanny was forbidden to ever use corporal punishment. As I said, neither my present school, nor my previous one, used corporal punishment, and both schools have the highest reputations for turning out academic achievers.

    When I was little, my biggest fear was displeasing my dad (whom I idolised) and the direst threat nanny could employ were the dreaded words "Well, continue with that behaviour, and I shall have to tell Sir William!"

    The majority of punishments meted out before I was sent away to school, consisted of being locked in my room, or the nursery, without my favourite toys. Much soul searching went on while I stared regretfully out of the window at the forbidden lawns and bushes of the grounds below. A reasonably well controlled child was the result.

    At school, less than optimal behaviour, and dereliction of one's studies, resulted in detention in the study room (and still does). The boredom involved is a much greater disincentive than any momentary pain. So boarding schools have moved on from that old description of the Royal Navy - rum, sodomy and the lash. Well at least from the lash bit.

    I think one of the strongest points you made was the explanation to small children why certain actions were undesirable, socially unacceptable, and dangerous. In many cases, and with very small children, just the tone of voice can be a deterrent. A sharp "No!" may startle a toddler, and make him cry, but the message is unmistakable.

    We need to remember that the love of mummy and daddy is the most important thing in the world to very small children, and they will do anything to retain it. My dad died when I was still young, but when he was around, I would consciously avoid doing anything which would disappoint him. All he had to do was voice that disappointment to reduce me to tears.

    So I still believe that there are methods other than violence (no matter how mild) to teach children good behaviour, and when I get married and have children, I never, ever, want them to be afraid of me.
    I believe that you are sincere and mean well.

    Perhaps some children can be raised to be decent adults without ever so much as having their hand slapped. Some.

    I believe that the majority do better if they've had the direct lesson, that certain behaviors are linked directly to pain, than not. I think some children are all but unmanageable without having been instilled with an awareness that corporeal punishment is a possible consequence.

    I think it has its place in the parental toolbox; that has been my experience, and I've seen far too many parents who refused to use it end up with brats, druggies, and worse. However, I hope I adequately conveyed that what I consider the most important aspects of disciplining children were the segment you quoted:

    To be effective in instilling discipline in a child, a parent must be involved, loving, attentive, worthy of respect, firm, consistent, and self-controlled. This is the baseline. Discipline without a positive relationship is rarely effective

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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    We do not have a society that can stand for corporal punishment. I believe parents in western societies should not be able to corporally punish their chirldren, they seriously cannot be trusted.

    If a child was corporally punished in china or north korea I could understand. rather not so much by a family, they may not possess the moral authority though so enculturated they usually would, I would rather prefer the state had a hand in it.

    Id rather corporal punishment for a variety of criminal situations vs jailtime. Such as graffiti crimes, minor sexual assault cases, significant petty theft (shoplifting a certain quota of material items, or stealing from the workplace)

    and they should hire martial arts consultants to teach all children martial arts.... no relation...

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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    My solution would involve less government and more individual liberty. If we started treating people like adults, I'm confident they would act as such...
    No, they won't, that's the problem. The more freedom you give people, the less responsible they'll act and the more they'll whine when things don't go their way.
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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    So there you have it. They had spanking in the schools I attended. I have mixed feelings about it because I developed an erotic appreciation for it and won't date a man unless he's willing to spank me. True story.
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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Seriously, if the parents were taking care of business at home to begin with, the child probably wouldn't be misbehaving in the first place. I went to a private school, corporal punishment was not only given as a last resort, but you couldn't send your kid there if you didn't give written permission for it to happen. There were two levels, the basic swat on the hand with a ruler thing and the full blown paddle to the backside. While I never went through the latter, there was a time or two that I got the hand-swat and you know something? I learned not to do whatever it was that got me hit. For people who got paddled, I don't remember anyone ever getting it twice.

    There are far too many parents who let their kids run wild today without any discipline. Sometimes, for extreme measures, a kid might need a non-damaging whack in the butt. It builds character.
    So you never had problems with your children?
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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    You're right. It doesn't work. In high school there was a coach I was secretly attracted to. I used to deliberately do something so that he would spank me. Ironically, the punishment was causing the behavior it was supposed to stop. But then it really sucked if I ended up getting it from someone else. And even if I got it from him, I hated it when it was happening. It only turned me on later on when I fantasized about it. I guess I'm pretty f###ed up sexually thanks to spanking, so I'm against spanking in schools, but am fine with it happening between consenting adults.



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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by American
    So you never had problems with your children?
    Sure, but they learned what was acceptable and what was not acceptable. It always amazes my wife and I when we go somewhere public and there's a kid throwing a tantrum and the parents are just ignoring it. Our kids never did that, they knew what would happen if they did. They found more acceptable avenues for their frustration. Some things are never acceptable in public and they knew that if they acted out, they'd get punished.

    That's why they're both straight-A students right now on the honor roll and get repeated recognition for citizenship, etc. in school. Far too many parents let their kids run wild because they're terrified of raising a hand or raising a voice to tell them they're wrong.
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