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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    For a certain segment of the population, the only thing they can understand is a good whipping......

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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    I have three kids and they all respond differently to punishment.

    1. The oldest never responded to spankings, in fact I am still trying to figure out a punishment that sticks with him.

    2. The middle just gets angry and tries to attack anyone who spanks him, but if you threaten to throw away a toy, he behaves immediately.

    3. The youngest will behave if I so much as give her a mean look or lower my voice.

    The point is that because everyone responds differently, allowing corporal punishment is not always the best way to fix problem behavior. For some kids it will work, for some it won't. However, a school would likely be required to give certain punishments for certain behaviors and the effectiveness of the punishment will vary from student to student. The end result is that ideally it should be up to the parent to devise the correct punishment for the child since the parent is usually in the best position to know what works to make that child behave.

    The reality though is that many parents suck at their job, which I think is the biggest source for our problems at schools. The fact that teachers are restrained from doing their job due to red tape is the second biggest problem, but that's another thread.

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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    None.

    I don't trust those goonion morons to do the job right.

    I'll decide if my child needs beating, and I'll do the job myself.

    (For some reason, since they're brains aren't located in their asses, I find it more efficatious to reach their brains via their ears and eyes. So I have kids that listen to what I say.)

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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    Seriously, if the parents were taking care of business at home to begin with, the child probably wouldn't be misbehaving in the first place. I went to a private school, corporal punishment was not only given as a last resort, but you couldn't send your kid there if you didn't give written permission for it to happen. There were two levels, the basic swat on the hand with a ruler thing and the full blown paddle to the backside. While I never went through the latter, there was a time or two that I got the hand-swat and you know something? I learned not to do whatever it was that got me hit. For people who got paddled, I don't remember anyone ever getting it twice.

    There are far too many parents who let their kids run wild today without any discipline. Sometimes, for extreme measures, a kid might need a non-damaging whack in the butt. It builds character.
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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    hitting children is how inadequate adults cope with their own shortcomings. and besides all that, it doesn't even work. so of course it should be banned.

    Utter nonsense. It works consistently with most children, if applied correctly as one part of an overall discipline methodology.

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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Utter nonsense. It works consistently with most children, if applied correctly as one part of an overall discipline methodology.
    Nooo! I can't agree.

    I was never hit as a child, and even now, my school is not allowed to use corporal punishment. And look how I turned out .... oh, wait!

    But seriously, is anyone comfortable with the concept of an adult hitting a small child? Would you like someone the size of a garage belting you? It is assault - nothing less, and anyone - school official or parent - who does that should be up before the bench.

    I once told a lady who was repeatedly smacking her child in a shop, that she should stop doing that. But all she did was tell me to feck off or I would get some of the same. I give up on some parents - don't have kids if you can't handle them.
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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Nooo! I can't agree.

    I was never hit as a child, and even now, my school is not allowed to use corporal punishment. And look how I turned out .... oh, wait!

    But seriously, is anyone comfortable with the concept of an adult hitting a small child? Would you like someone the size of a garage belting you? It is assault - nothing less, and anyone - school official or parent - who does that should be up before the bench.

    I once told a lady who was repeatedly smacking her child in a shop, that she should stop doing that. But all she did was tell me to feck off or I would get some of the same. I give up on some parents - don't have kids if you can't handle them.

    I've no objections to a PARENT swatting a child on the rear or hand to curb some dangerous impulse. The exact reason nature gave animals a sense of pain was to allow them to understand when they're doing something harmful to themselves. Properly applied, corporal punishment is an effective behavioral modification tool.

    Won't work in all cases, but exceptions don't disprove a rule anyway. General rules are never 100% reliable, except this one.

    No, beating a kid senseless isn't good training technique.

    Allowing them to grab the knobs on the stove isn't a good idea, either. Since the consequences of a child playing with a stove can be severe, it may be that some form of pain based conditioning is required.

    Historically, it works.

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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I've no objections to a PARENT swatting a child on the rear or hand to curb some dangerous impulse. The exact reason nature gave animals a sense of pain was to allow them to understand when they're doing something harmful to themselves. Properly applied, corporal punishment is an effective behavioral modification tool.

    Won't work in all cases, but exceptions don't disprove a rule anyway. General rules are never 100% reliable, except this one.

    No, beating a kid senseless isn't good training technique.

    Allowing them to grab the knobs on the stove isn't a good idea, either. Since the consequences of a child playing with a stove can be severe, it may be that some form of pain based conditioning is required.

    Historically, it works.
    I agree, to an extent.

    As long as it is used with careful moderation, it will likely have a positive effect in the early stages: "If I touch the stove, my ass hurts..." Which is probably better than "I touched the stove, now I am in the hospital with hand burns..."

    But at what point does it become (IMO), better to use reason on a child? Or at least reason backed up with reasonable but firm corporal punishment backup?

    I suppose it's a case-by-case thing.
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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Nooo! I can't agree.

    I was never hit as a child, and even now, my school is not allowed to use corporal punishment. And look how I turned out .... oh, wait!

    But seriously, is anyone comfortable with the concept of an adult hitting a small child? Would you like someone the size of a garage belting you? It is assault - nothing less, and anyone - school official or parent - who does that should be up before the bench.

    I once told a lady who was repeatedly smacking her child in a shop, that she should stop doing that. But all she did was tell me to feck off or I would get some of the same. : I give up on some parents - don't have kids if you can't handle them.
    I've explained my position on this before, but I suppose it has been over two months which means I have to go through everything all over again.

    To be effective in instilling discipline in a child, a parent must be involved, loving, attentive, worthy of respect, firm, consistent, and self-controlled. This is the baseline. Discipline without a positive relationship is rarely effective.

    The exact methodology of discipline must vary from child to child, because all children are different to some degree.

    The everyday tools of discipline are verbal correction, physical prevention (ie taking the cat's tail out of the baby's mouth), verbal scolding (by which I don't mean screaming, I mean getting through to the child that this behavior is unacceptible and why), removal of privileges, restriction of movement/activity.

    Spanking is the "capital punishment" of child discipline. It is the big gun that is only used when necessary. It is employed where lesser forms of discipline have failed, or where the issue is so vital that no compromise or hesitation can be accepted. Chiefly;
    1. Safety Issues... Thou Shalt Not Run Into Oncoming Traffic.
    2. Open Defiance. When you permit a five year old to tell you how its going to be, the inmates are running the asylum.
    3. Repeated serious offenses for which lesser discipline is not working.

    Never hit a child in such a manner that may cause real harm; the purpose is to focus the child's mind on the issue at hand through the application of temporary pain, so that they will remember and realize that Stupid Hurts, and that Being Mean Causes Buttache. A light and flexible switch is better than a hand, because the hand is more rigid and massive and may cause injury. Also using an inanimate object (like a short length of belt) makes it less personal in a way.

    Never spank when you are angry. If you are angry, withhold discipline until you are calm. It must never be about your anger; it must never be personal.

    Either before or after spanking, you must explain carefully why it has come to this, why this is so important, and what must be done to avoid further spankings for this issue.

    After the spanking, love and affection should be expressed so that the child understands that it was not personal and you do not despise them, that you are correcting them out of necessity.

    As the child grows older, typically reason and discussion become the more predominant method of instilling discipline... but a vital part of the foundation was laid when the child was taught that bad behavior brings pain.

    I used this method and it worked extremely well. My 14yo son is a model of courteous and considerate behavior; at the same time his "spirit" is unbroken and he is emphatically an individual. I have had no need to lay a hand on him in many years, other than to hug him for being such an awesome kid.

    I have this theory, it goes like this: Every human being, in order to become a decent human being, must first realize that the behaviors Stupid and Mean bring Pain. This is typically accomplished by getting your ass beat. The number of ass beatings required varies from person to person, I will call the number by the variable A. For some people A=1, for others the value of A may be in the hundreds.
    Now... you can get your required number of ass beatings as a child, by your parents... OR, if you fail to do so, you will likely continue to get your ass beat as an adult, by Cops, Thugs, Outraged Fathers and Betrayed Spouses, and Irate Citizens. I preferred that my child get his necessary A out of the way early, under controlled conditions.
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    Re: What kind of corporal punishment, if any, should be allowed in public schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
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    Precisely what I was trying to explain, but far more articulate and understandable.
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