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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post

    Bill Clinton However decreased spending from 36.5% to 33.5 and was able to balance the budget. Sadly enough, the best fiscal conservative has been Bill Clinton.Government Spending Chart in United States 1993-2001 - Federal State Local
    There are many republicans who have seizures when you tell them that. They will twist themselves into knots trying to deny it. So to be fair it should be pointed out that Clinton had a GOP controlled Congress for most of his Presidency. And while Presidents have a lot of influence over spending, only Congress can tax and only Congress can spend.
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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    And yet you say that someone can be a fiscal conservative while also supporting a massive stimulus spending bill.
    If the spending is designed to save the country from utter and total collapse yes. Hard to conserve when there's nothing left.

    Saying that they can be a fiscal conservative while increasing military spending isn't much of a stretch from that.
    Except that you're still wrong about no other president after him cutting discretionary spending.
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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Not really. He didn't increase defense spending at all. At the end of his period, he spend the same amount as he did when he took the office. From 6 to 6%.
    Government Spending Chart in United States 1981-1989 - Federal State Local
    That's not correct. You're looking at % of GDP.

    U.S. Military Spending, 1946–2009 — Infoplease.com

    From '81 to '89, military spending increased quite largely. From $317.4 billion to $427.7 billion.
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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Except that you're still wrong about no other president after him cutting discretionary spending.
    Non-defense discretionary.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Non-defense discretionary.
    Which compared to mandatory and defense discretionary is relatively small. Big deal.

    Reagan expanded the government, didn't cut discretionary and left us with at the time, huge debt obligations.
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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Which compared to mandatory and defense discretionary is relatively small. Big deal.

    Reagan expanded the government, didn't cut discretionary and left us with at the time, huge debt obligations.
    Which according to you, doesn't mean he isn't a fiscal conservative, since you assert that a fiscal conservative can still spend on things they deem crucial (in this case, national defense).

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Which according to you, doesn't mean he isn't a fiscal conservative, since you assert that a fiscal conservative can still spend on things they deem crucial (in this case, national defense).
    Not to the point you cause government to explode and saddle the next generation with huge amounts of debt. Did we need to build up to the level Reagan had us? No. Did we need to leverage our piggy banks to do it? No. By the early 70s, we had superiority over the Soviets in every way except numbers.

    Frankly, aside from Bush I and Clinton, we haven't had a fiscally conservative president since Eisenhower.
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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not to the point you cause government to explode and saddle the next generation with huge amounts of debt.
    Which is what the stimulus did much moreso than Reagan's military spending. You are using a double-standard here.


    Did we need to build up to the level Reagan had us? No. Did we need to leverage our piggy banks to do it? No. By the early 70s, we had superiority over the Soviets in every way except numbers.
    In other words, if you think it's necessary, then you can do it and still be a fiscal conservative, but if you personally don't deem it necessary, then no fiscal conservative can do it.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Easy question. Yes or no. and Explain why.
    Yes, he was a fiscal/small government conservative.

    "In 1981 Ronald Reagan entered the White House and immediately implemented a dramatic new economic policy agenda for the country that was dubbed "Reaganomics." [5]Reaganomics consisted of four key elements to reverse the high-inflation, slow-growth economic record of the 1970s: (1) a restrictive monetary policy designed to stabilize the value of the dollar and end runaway inflation; (2) a 25 percent across-the-board tax cut enacted (The Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981) designed to spur savings, investment, work, and economic efficiency; (3) a promise to balance the budget through domestic spending restraint; and (4) an agenda to roll back government regulation."
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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Which compared to mandatory and defense discretionary is relatively small. Big deal.

    Reagan expanded the government, didn't cut discretionary and left us with at the time, huge debt obligations.
    Congress is involved with spending too, they spent more than he wanted most years.


    http://www.presidentreagan.info/reagan_budgets.cfm
    Last edited by Porchev; 02-14-10 at 11:16 PM.

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