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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Did you notice anything odd about your CATO link?

    Like maybe a conflict of interest.
    Sure did, it was filled with verifiable facts and the source of those facts, something you and others hate.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

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    Didn't read the analysis I see. Not surprising. Reagan and the Congress added 1.7 trillion to the debt. Obama will add that much this year but you complain about Reagan?
    I've never been a fan of Obama but at least there is a small chance the money will be put to some good use. However spending should be cut - for instance the American tax payer has no benefit from imperial expansion in the Middle East.

    You have zero credibility. Ask the American people today whether or not they would take Reagan back and his record and only the loony left would be against that. in fact GW Bush vs. Barack Obama would be a toss up today. Get all the facts before spouting rhetoric because they make you look stupid.
    I got some facts and posted them above. However it seems you haven't noticed them. It might be because I am too stupid to present any fact to a mind as brilliant as yours

    By the way when people get to keep more of their money there is less need for social programs funded by the taxpayer.
    Only if you get enough in your tax cut to pay for the services you lost. Some services like public transportation and libraries can only be provided in a meaningful way by the public sector.

    Instead those are funded by charities which are the intent.
    The intent of who? Reagan? God? You?

    You are educationally challenged.
    The more you insult me, the less you convince me. It seems it is you who have been ideologically challenged, and you don't like it.
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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sure did, it was filled with verifiable facts and the source of those facts, something you and others hate.
    Uhmm that would not be a conflict of interest.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Regicollis;1058691840]I've never been a fan of Obama but at least there is a small chance the money will be put to some good use. However spending should be cut - for instance the American tax payer has no benefit from imperial expansion in the Middle East.
    Yet Obama's defense budget is more than Bush's and he kept the Bush secretary of defense. Nothing has changed proving that Bush was right.



    I got some facts and posted them above. However it seems you haven't noticed them. It might be because I am too stupid to present any fact to a mind as brilliant as yours
    I don't know you well enough to call you stupid however your posts are forming an opinion that could prove that statement. Your problem is you think with your heart and not your brain which is what most liberals do. Facts always get in the way of your personal opinion so you make yourself look stupid by arguing against the facts.


    Only if you get enough in your tax cut to pay for the services you lost. Some services like public transportation and libraries can only be provided in a meaningful way by the public sector.
    You haven't a clue, transportation is funded by the excise taxes you pay on gasoline and other fuels or at least that was the intent before liberals put those taxes on budget and spent them on social programs.

    Not sure where you live but I live in TX where our property taxes fund local services just like they do in other parts of the country.

    Why don't you tell me what the role of the govt. truly is in your world and what the budget would look like to fund it? Today the Obama budget is 3.8 trillion dollars and 1.6 trillion in deficit.


    The intent of who? Reagan? God? You?
    The intent of charities was to take care of those truly in need, not a federal bureaucrat in D.C. Read history for a change.



    The more you swear the less you convince me. It seems it is you who have been ideologically challenged, and you don't like it. ;

    You don't want to be called educationally challenged, then post something intelligent for a change instead of liberal myths. Get educated and you won't sound foolish.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yet Obama's defense budget is more than Bush's and he kept the Bush secretary of defense. Nothing has changed proving that Bush was right.
    Or proving that Obama is as wrong as Bush.

    I don't know you well enough to call you stupid however your posts are forming an opinion that could prove that statement. Your problem is you think with your heart and not your brain which is what most liberals do. Facts always get in the way of your personal opinion so you make yourself look stupid by arguing against the facts.
    I get it. You think I'm stupid. But please move on and tell me why you think Reagan was a fiscally good president in spite of his borrow and spend policies. Give me all the good arguments why an excellent economic policy should include things as
    • Declining real wages
    • Tripling of national debt
    • Above average unemployment rates
    • Below average increases in job creation and productivity
    • Tax cuts for the rich paid by the middle class
    • Reduction in social programmes

    I'm really exited to learn about the benefits of these things.

    You haven't a clue, transportation is funded by the excise taxes you pay on gasoline and other fuels or at least that was the intent before liberals put those taxes on budget and spent them on social programs.

    Not sure where you live but I live in TX where our property taxes fund local services just like they do in other parts of the country.
    I was just giving examples. Where I'm from we have a saying that someone can read something like the devil reads the Bible - I think it is quite fitting for you.

    Why don't you tell me what the role of the govt. truly is in your world and what the budget would look like to fund it? Today the Obama budget is 3.8 trillion dollars and 1.6 trillion in deficit.
    The prime function of government is to provide the greatest amount of happiness to the greatest amount of people, to uphold peace and security and to provide a decent standard of living for those who cannot do so themselves.

    If you want a more balanced budget you could start thinking about the insane military spending.

    The intent of charities was to take care of those truly in need, not a federal bureaucrat in D.C. Read history for a change.
    Thank you for enlightening me on what the intent of a charity is - I really didn't know.

    However that knowledge doesn't tell me anything about who the "intended" provider of social services should be. History can not tell us that.

    You don't want to be called educationally challenged, then post something intelligent for a change instead of liberal myths. Get educated and you won't sound foolish.
    The average intelligence of this thread would definitely be improved if you started to post arguments in favour of your opinions instead of angry rants.
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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Regicollis;1058691897]Or proving that Obama is as wrong as Bush.



    I get it. You think I'm stupid. But please move on and tell me why you think Reagan was a fiscally good president in spite of his borrow and spend policies. Give me all the good arguments why an excellent economic policy should include things as
    • Declining real wages
    • Tripling of national debt
    • Above average unemployment rates
    • Below average increases in job creation and productivity
    • Tax cuts for the rich paid by the middle class
    • Reduction in social programmes
    Obviously you didn't live and work in the 80/s because you have no clue as to the economy that was actually inherited, try buying a home at 15% interest rates or having double digit inflation?

    Declining wages is a lie

    Tripling the national debt happened but Reagan and the Congress doubled the debt, as it ws 900 billion and they added 1.7 trillion to it.

    High unemployment was caused by the inherited economic problems left by Carter, something you ignore.

    Tax cuts for the rich? LOL, anyone that paid taxes got a tax cut, Obviously you didn't read the facts presented. Tax cuts doubled govt. revenue thus weren't paid for by the middle class. That is an idiotic statement.

    Your so called facts are distorted and ignores the conditions in this country when Reagan took office. You also ignore that the American people re-elected Reagan with the biggest landslide in U.S. history in 1984 which goes to prove who they held responsible for the economic numbers of 81-82. Stop talking like an idiot.

    I'm really exited to learn about the benefits of these things.
    You have no interest in learning the truth because you are conditioned to ignore the truth.




    The prime function of government is to provide the greatest amount of happiness to the greatest amount of people, to uphold peace and security and to provide a decent standard of living for those who cannot do so themselves.
    Never read the Constitution either, I see. It isn't the role of the govt. to provide anything but equal opportunity and protection. History isn't your friend.

    If you want a more balanced budget you could start thinking about the insane military spending.
    The role of the govt. is to PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE. and to PROMOTE, not provide domestic welfare.

    Thank you for enlightening me on what the intent of a charity is - I really didn't know.
    Obviously.

    However that knowledge doesn't tell me anything about who the "intended" provider of social services should be. History can not tell us that.
    The intended provider of social services was the individual, not the Federal Taxpayer and if that individual had problems then the local community would step up including the churches and charities.


    The average intelligence of this thread would definitely be improved if you started to post arguments in favour of your opinions instead of angry rants.
    Actually the average intelligence of this thread would go up if liberals stopped posting.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    This chart was copied from the Haritage Foundatrion web sight. Hardly a left wing organization, and it shows that all republicans give us debt and grow thew government more than the democrats do. Every republicans gave us debt, every republican gives us bigger government, every republican gives us inflation, deficits and a need for another financial bale out of fat cats by the government. Republicans cause the country it's financial problems. Obama will be a pypical democrat and give us less debt than a republican would.
    Not sure what's a bigger joke -- the above post, or the poster referring to himself as a moderate.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Not sure what's a bigger joke -- the above post, or the poster referring to himself as a moderate.
    the bigger joke was your lame effort to ignore the factual content of his post
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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the bigger joke was your lame effort to ignore the factual content of his post

    As bad as the joke about being a moderate is the joke that you call yourself an independent. There is nothing independent in your posts as you report distorted information as fact and ignore anything that contradicts the facts.

    It is easy to blame Reagan for a debt that you do not understand or an economic policy that creates individual wealth and less govt.dependence. If you were truly independent you too would suppor those policies. There is nothing more independent than being your own person, creating your own wealth, and correcting your own mistakes.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obviously you didn't live and work in the 80/s because you have no clue as to the economy that was actually inherited, try buying a home at 15% interest rates or having double digit inflation?
    I never claimed that there was not an economic decline. Reagan just used it as an excuse to slash public services.

    Declining wages is a lie
    Told by the evil communists at the Labour Statistics Bureau?

    Tripling the national debt happened but Reagan and the Congress doubled the debt, as it ws 900 billion and they added 1.7 trillion to it.

    High unemployment was caused by the inherited economic problems left by Carter, something you ignore.
    Unemployment was lower during the Carter years.

    Next time, couldn't you use a less common fallback strategy than blaming the predecessor?

    Tax cuts for the rich? LOL, anyone that paid taxes got a tax cut, Obviously you didn't read the facts presented. Tax cuts doubled govt. revenue thus weren't paid for by the middle class. That is an idiotic statement.
    The rich got most out of the tax cuts. We all know that.

    A lot of middle class tax payers ended up paying more taxes because the AMT removed many deductions.

    Your so called facts are distorted and ignores the conditions in this country when Reagan took office. You also ignore that the American people re-elected Reagan with the biggest landslide in U.S. history in 1984 which goes to prove who they held responsible for the economic numbers of 81-82. Stop talking like an idiot.
    So because Reagan was re-elected his policies were sound? Does that mean that you consider the New Deal to be sound because the American people re-elected FDR three times?

    You have no interest in learning the truth because you are conditioned to ignore the truth.
    Then it is good that I have you to provide me with the truth fresh out of the best neo-conservative think thanks.

    Never read the Constitution either, I see. It isn't the role of the govt. to provide anything but equal opportunity and protection. History isn't your friend.
    I have actually read a fair deal of constitutions, including the American. But I fail to see what that has to do with anything. We are having a political argument, not a legal one.

    The role of the govt. is to PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE. and to PROMOTE, not provide domestic welfare.
    Your statements of opinion does not become more convincing because you are using the Caps Lock key

    The intended provider of social services was the individual, not the Federal Taxpayer and if that individual had problems then the local community would step up including the churches and charities.
    Interesting opinion. But tell my why that is what is "intended". Who intended it? Government should be organised according to the will of the people, not as a museum of legal history. Times change, and so should government.

    Actually the average intelligence of this thread would go up if liberals stopped posting.
    Why do you participate in a debate forum if debate is not what you want?
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