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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Small govt is part of an economic policy.
    Ok. So is....... a balanced budget ;-) But we know that is not a "conservative" thing....
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Care to address why you purposefully changed the wikipedia definition to suit your argument?

    Ill wait.
    NO, copied and pasted it just as it was listed

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Ok. So is....... a balanced budget ;-) But we know that is not a "conservative" thing....
    Did you read the Heritage analysis of Reagan? Were you even around during the Reagan years?

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Conservatism is not an economic policy..... You need to lay off the kool aid.
    LOL, Conservativism is an economic ideology, my error. I am proud to have that ideology. It is the only ideology that makes any sense.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    NO, copied and pasted it just as it was listed
    Bull****! Why do you feel the need to lie and make things up? Click the link: [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_conservatism"]here[/ame]

    Fiscal conservatism is a political term used in North America to describe a fiscal policy that advocates avoiding deficit spending. Fiscal conservatives often consider reduction of overall government spending and national debt as well as balancing the federal budget of paramount importance. Free trade, deregulation of the economy, lower taxes, and other Classical Liberal policies are also often affiliated with fiscal conservatism.
    Here is the **** you posted and claimed it was "copy pasted":

    Quote Originally Posted by conservative
    The definition of fiscal conservative

    Fiscal conservatism is a political term used in North America to describe a fiscal policy that advocates a reduction in overall government spending. Fiscal conservatives often consider deficit and national debt reduction as well as balancing the federal budget of paramount importance. ...
    You are a partisan hack who now has zero credibility. Nobody has any use for someone who purposefully lies and makes things up in the midst of discussions.

    I'd leave the thread if i were you. Unless you have no pride
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Pete, take a civics course and understand the three equal branches of govt. Reagan alone did not increase the debt and in fact empowered people to be the best they could be and to take control of their own lives. I know how that drives liberals crazy.

    Reagan tax cuts doubled govt. revenue by creating 20 million jobs most in the private sector. You can continue to focus on the debt but I will take the 1.7 trillion added to the debt in 8 years by Reagan vs. Obama spending and adding that amount in less than 2 years.

    Reagan's economic plan was empowering people whereas Obama empowers the govt. Sorry you don't see the difference.
    And you should actually read serious studies and statistics about the years instead of copy pasting partisan right wing CATO institute crap.

    The only good thing Reagan did was to stand up against the Soviets and make American's believe in themselves again after the previous decade of decline and defeat in war.
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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    =Goldenboy219;1058582448]Bull****! Why do you feel the need to lie and make things up? Click the link: here



    Here is the **** you posted and claimed it was "copy pasted":
    Look, I copied and pasted the first part of the definition. I changed nothing.


    You are a partisan hack who now has zero credibility. Nobody has any use for someone who purposefully lies and makes things up in the midst of discussions.
    Great, personal attack when you cannot defend your position. I made nothing up, I lived during the period of time, worked during that period, and saw Reagan for who he was. I coped exactly what was listed as the definition for fiscal conservatism. What is your experience with the 80's?

    I'd leave the thread if i were you. Unless you have no pride :shrug
    Thanks for the advice but my passion for free enterprise and capitalism along with my support of what Reagan did trumps your personal opinions and lack of intellectual honesty.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What you and others are ignoring is that when Reagan won the Cold War he created a peace dividend for GHW Bush and Clinton which Clinton used to cut the size of the military and that is where the cuts in govt. came from.

    You are right, no one forced him to sign the legislation but as the article states it was Congress that refused to cut domestic spending and Reagan needed the increase in military spending, which by the way went from 150 billion to 300 billion compared to the 700 billion today that Obama just submitted, to force the Soviet Union to succumb and thus eventually destroyed.

    The lessons from Reagan have been lost over time just like those trying to re-write the history of the 80's. He got it right and understood what it meant to empower people and not the govt. What he did however was provide an economic plan that generated more money to the govt, which Congress by its nature and desire to remain in power spent.
    I wasn't judging the outcomes. You are.

    My point was this - regardless of outcomes, Reagan expanded government and did so more than many Democrats have while in office (also working with Democratic congresses, by the way).

    So - outcomes aside - Reagan was not a small-government conservative. He expanded government by a large measure.

    The only ones altering history are Hertiage and CATO - and they do so because they have a right-wing agenda to pursue; thus, they paint over Reagan's actual record and pretend he was a small-government when all evidence says he was not.

    He claimed government was the problem; but he expanded it and used it many times to create solutions.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    I wasn't judging the outcomes. You are.

    My point was this - regardless of outcomes, Reagan expanded government and did so more than many Democrats have while in office (also working with Democratic congresses, by the way).

    So - outcomes aside - Reagan was not a small-government conservative. He expanded government by a large measure.

    The only ones altering history are Hertiage and CATO - and they do so because they have a right-wing agenda to pursue; thus, they paint over Reagan's actual record and pretend he was a small-government when all evidence says he was not.

    He claimed government was the problem; but he expanded it and used it many times to create solutions.
    Again, you ignore what Reagan did to pointto what happened. Did Reagan propose an increase in the size of Govt. outside the military? Did the Reagan tax cuts create enough funding to handle the size of the military?

    Everyone wants to blame the President when things go badly. Reagan entered office as a fiscal conservative trying to reduce the size of govt. His tax cuts to the people were an attempt to make the people less dependent on the govt. His support of Gramm-Rudman was another attempt to reign in spending.

    What Reagan found out and proved was that Congress is more interested in keeping their jobs than they are in doing their jobs. The results of the Reagan ignore the efforts of Reagan just like the results of the Bush term ignore the efforts of Bush. I still contend that Reagan was a fiscal conservative and although the results generated do not show that those results also ignore the effort and what Reagan actually proposed.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Look, I copied and pasted the first part of the definition. I changed nothing.
    Where did you get it? The sentence structure looks identical to that of the wikipedia article summary i posted, although there was a change in words at the end of the first sentence.

    Here is the actual wiki article of which i gave a link to the source: click it and tell me with honesty that you did not change anything. [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_conservatism"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_conservatism[/ame]

    Fiscal conservatism is a political term used in North America to describe a fiscal policy that advocates avoiding deficit spending. Fiscal conservatives often consider reduction of overall government spending and national debt as well as balancing the federal budget of paramount importance. Free trade, deregulation of the economy, lower taxes, and other Classical Liberal policies are also often affiliated with fiscal conservatism.
    This is what you posted:

    Fiscal conservatism is a political term used in North America to describe a fiscal policy that advocates a reduction in overall government spending. Fiscal conservatives often consider deficit and national debt reduction as well as balancing the federal budget of paramount importance. ...
    Now i have to ask you where did you get that from? Please provide a link. If you cannot provide one, at least have the integrity to admit you changed the last part of sentence one from the wiki article.

    Great, personal attack when you cannot defend your position. I made nothing up, I lived during the period of time, worked during that period, and saw Reagan for who he was. I coped exactly what was listed as the definition for fiscal conservatism. What is your experience with the 80's?
    Nope! You did not.... Which is why you have no credibility. Please provide me with the link

    Thanks for the advice but my passion for free enterprise and capitalism along with my support of what Reagan did trumps your personal opinions and lack of intellectual honesty.
    Did i post an edited wiki article to strengthen my argument? No, that was you. You have a passion for partisanship, and can care less if capitalism and free enterprise is upheld unless of course it is advocated by your GOP idols.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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