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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Here is another good analysis of the Reagan economy and states how Congress refused to work with him on Domestic spending. Had Congress cut domestic spending as Reagan wanted this article claims the budget would have balanced and there wouldn't have been the debt incurred.

    The Real Reagan Economic Record: Responsible and Successful Fiscal Policy
    Ok, read the article.... Heritage huh?

    How does this prove he was powerless to avoid a deficit? You cannot prove that he wanted fiscal responsibility more so than his political agenda or you would have done so already without running to neo-con/republican think tanks.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Again, no one held a gun to his head and made him sign any of those budgets; no one MADE him expand government by creating a new cabinet-level department; no one made him expand military spending as much as he did.

    Again, you can judge the outcomes; but he was NOT a small-government conservative. He expanded government even more than Carter did; definitely more than Clinton did.
    What you and others are ignoring is that when Reagan won the Cold War he created a peace dividend for GHW Bush and Clinton which Clinton used to cut the size of the military and that is where the cuts in govt. came from.

    You are right, no one forced him to sign the legislation but as the article states it was Congress that refused to cut domestic spending and Reagan needed the increase in military spending, which by the way went from 150 billion to 300 billion compared to the 700 billion today that Obama just submitted, to force the Soviet Union to succumb and thus eventually destroyed.

    The lessons from Reagan have been lost over time just like those trying to re-write the history of the 80's. He got it right and understood what it meant to empower people and not the govt. What he did however was provide an economic plan that generated more money to the govt, which Congress by its nature and desire to remain in power spent.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Ok, read the article.... Heritage huh?

    How does this prove he was powerless to avoid a deficit? You cannot prove that he wanted fiscal responsibility more so than his political agenda or you would have done so already without running to neo-con/republican think tanks.
    Again, does it matter who the author is? It is the message that matters.

    Did you bother to study the history of the Reagan years? Gramm-Rudman was an attempt to cut spending that was violated by the Democrat Controlled House. All agreements Reagan had with Congress were broken by Congress. Reagan tried to get the line item veto which was denied by Congress.

    Reagan saw the problem but fought the battles he could win, and that was tax cuts for the American people and those tax cuts empowered the people more than the govt. and that bothers liberals?

    Why is it that you have a problem with Reaganomics that put more money into the hands of the people?

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Again, does it matter who the author is? It is the message that matters.

    Did you bother to study the history of the Reagan years? Gramm-Rudman was an attempt to cut spending that was violated by the Democrat Controlled House. All agreements Reagan had with Congress were broken by Congress. Reagan tried to get the line item veto which was denied by Congress.

    Reagan saw the problem but fought the battles he could win, and that was tax cuts for the American people and those tax cuts empowered the people more than the govt. and that bothers liberals?

    Why is it that you have a problem with Reaganomics that put more money into the hands of the people?
    I applaud him for the job he had done while President. I think he was a class act!

    He simply was not fiscally conservative. Why does that bother you to the point of partisanship?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I applaud him for the job he had done while President. I think he was a class act!

    He simply was not fiscally conservative. Why does that bother you to the point of partisanship?
    The definition of fiscal conservative

    Fiscal conservatism is a political term used in North America to describe a fiscal policy that advocates a reduction in overall government spending. Fiscal conservatives often consider deficit and national debt reduction as well as balancing the federal budget of paramount importance. ...

    Reagan advocated a reduction in overall spending and was rebuked by the kids in the candy store and in order to pass his tax cuts and military build up that destroyed the Soviet Union he signed the legislation.

    Do you or anyone else that has a problem with Reagan's military spending have any idea how much it would cost today in military spending had the Soviet Union remained a threat to this country? Any idea why Clinton was able to cut the size of the military as much as he did although those cuts came at a price after 9/11.

    Too bad that many have an inability to think proactively and only react to the negatives.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The definition of fiscal conservative

    Fiscal conservatism is a political term used in North America to describe a fiscal policy that advocates a reduction in overall government spending.
    Fiscal conservatives often consider deficit and national debt reduction as well as balancing the federal budget of paramount importance. ...
    You are such a partisan tool. That is why you fail....

    Quote Originally Posted by wikipedia
    Fiscal conservatism is a political term used in North America to describe a fiscal policy that advocates avoiding deficit spending. Fiscal conservatives often consider reduction of overall government spending and national debt as well as balancing the federal budget of paramount importance. Free trade, deregulation of the economy, lower taxes, and other Classical Liberal policies are also often affiliated with fiscal conservatism.
    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_conservatism"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_conservatism[/ame]

    Do you or anyone else that has a problem with Reagan's military spending have any idea how much it would cost today in military spending had the Soviet Union remained a threat to this country? Any idea why Clinton was able to cut the size of the military as much as he did although those cuts came at a price after 9/11.
    The Soviets crumbled due to an economic collapse. It was going to happen with or without military super spending (hindsight of course).

    Too bad that many have an inability to think proactively and only react to the negatives.
    Nope. You are just hyper-partisan and view someone not being fiscally conservative as a negative. Therefore you re-invent meaning to suit your particular ideology.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    You are such a partisan tool.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_conservatism



    The Soviets crumbled due to an economic collapse. It was going to happen with or without military super spending (hindsight of course).



    Nope. You are just hyper-partisan and view someone not being fiscally conservative as a negative. Therefore you re-invent meaning to suit your particular ideology.
    Yep, I am a Conservative and proud of it. It is the only economic ideology that makes any sense.

    As for the Soviets crumbling regardless of the military spending, Gorbachev disagrees with you.

    I have no use for many in the Republican Party today but it sure beats the alternative.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yep, I am a Conservative and proud of it. It is the only economic ideology that makes any sense.

    As for the Soviets crumbling regardless of the military spending, Gorbachev disagrees with you.

    I have no use for many in the Republican Party today but it sure beats the alternative.
    Care to address why you purposefully changed the wikipedia definition to suit your argument?

    Ill wait.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yep, I am a Conservative and proud of it. It is the only economic ideology that makes any sense.
    Conservatism is not an economic policy..... You need to lay off the kool aid.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Conservatism is not an economic policy..... You need to lay off the kool aid.
    Small govt is part of an economic policy.
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