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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Who is nobody, you?
    Are you Odysseus?

    All kidding aside, care to point out where i stated he was a bad president? Or is this just the typical drive by comment that lacks substance?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and that information would prove that regan was no fiscal conservative
    it would confirm him to have been a social conservative
    No, it would prove the that Democrats attached social spending bills to tax and military appropriations and without the line item veto Reagan signed them.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, it would prove the that Democrats attached social spending bills to tax and military appropriations and without the line item veto Reagan signed them.
    prove it
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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    prove it
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    Why? If I proved it you would just ignore it. Doesn't matter what actually happened as you are going to believe what you think happened.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Nobody is arguing that Reagan was a horrible president, or blaming him for deficits. What i believe the "no" aspect of the spectrum is trying to point out (ad nauseam) is that deficits do matter if someone wants to be considered a fiscal conservative.
    No one held a gun to his head and forced him to sign those budgets into law.

    Let's not forget that the massive expansion of military spending was his idea. That was a large part of what caused the deficits. You can argue about its worth (did it expedite the end of the Soviet era? You decide.); but you can't argue the fact that he presided over the greatest growth in deficit-spending of any president up to that point (who wasn't involved in active conflict).

    Let us not forget that along with his tax cuts; he also presided over many tax hikes.

    He also made the Department of Veteran's Affairs a Cabinet Level Department of Government - which (again, regardless of your opinion of the VA) is an expansion of government.

    I'm not the only one. According to this uber-conservative think tank - Reagan actually expanded government more than Carter did.

    So, this isn't a criticism from my perspective. But Reagan was - in NO way - a small government conservative. He may have spoke that frequently; but his actions continually expanded government and spending.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Why? If I proved it you would just ignore it. Doesn't matter what actually happened as you are going to believe what you think happened.
    This thread has an audience of one? Prove it!

    I promise i won't ignore it.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    This thread has an audience of one? Prove it!

    I promise i won't ignore it.
    Read the Cato analysis I posted on this thread, read the history of the Reagan years and Reagan spending.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Read the Cato analysis I posted on this thread, read the history of the Reagan years and Reagan spending.
    I didn't make any claims that he was powerless to cut any spending he deemed necessary, and therefore the deficit was out of his control.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I didn't make any claims that he was powerless to cut any spending he deemed necessary, and therefore the deficit was out of his control.
    Here is another good analysis of the Reagan economy and states how Congress refused to work with him on Domestic spending. Had Congress cut domestic spending as Reagan wanted this article claims the budget would have balanced and there wouldn't have been the debt incurred.

    The Real Reagan Economic Record: Responsible and Successful Fiscal Policy

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Here is another good analysis of the Reagan economy and states how Congress refused to work with him on Domestic spending. Had Congress cut domestic spending as Reagan wanted this article claims the budget would have balanced and there wouldn't have been the debt incurred.

    The Real Reagan Economic Record: Responsible and Successful Fiscal Policy
    Again, no one held a gun to his head and made him sign any of those budgets; no one MADE him expand government by creating a new cabinet-level department; no one made him expand military spending as much as he did.

    Again, you can judge the outcomes; but he was NOT a small-government conservative. He expanded government even more than Carter did; definitely more than Clinton did.

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