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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    First off, this argument that the founders intended for us to spend more than the next 18 to 20 nations combined is absurd.
    The Founders didn't have to fight the Soviets, and they didn't place any restrictions on military spending in the Constitution.

    Many of them were classical liberals. They did not even want the United States to have a standing army. Instead they wanted the government to depend up citizen militias to defend the nation.
    This is philosophical difference, not an issue about spending.

    Their reasoning was that a government could never become totalitarian if it had to depend on its citizens to defend it.
    It still is.

    So yes, rampant defense spending growth in the Reagan years and the corruption that lead to 700 dollar hammers and 1100 dollar toilet sets was entire the Reagan Administrations doing.
    I'm sure there was plenty of waste and corruption; it is the government after all, but waste in military spending is more acceptable than waste in entitlement/social programs.

    Secondly, payroll taxes pay for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Those are your big entitlements, and they had surpluses at the time. The problem was rampant growth in discretionary spending during the Reagan years.
    None of this changes the fact that said entitlement programs required massive amounts of revenue, revenue that could be spent on any number of things, including the military.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    So you didnt mind then when the Bush 1 and Clinton admins cut military spending?

    No cold war to fight the only thing close to a war the Reagan admin had Grenada excepted of course
    Unlike the people on this forum, I don't presume to know how much military spending is required to keep our country safe.

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    That link is laughable. They compare the Reagan years to the Bush / Clinton years and use that to argue that Reagan was better. Thats kind of stupid considering they stop in 1995 and throw Bush Sr. in with Clinton. How about we take the Clinton years and compare them to the Reagan years on their own, or compare them to the Reagan / Bush years being those actually to a degree go together unlike throwing two different presidents in that were in 2 different parties, and comparing them to Reagan.

    Did Reagan cut, say the National Park budget? Sure. Was Ranger Rick's 30k a year the spending problem for government? No, and thats is fundamentally the problem with Reagan Conservatism. They bragged on spending cuts for programs that were small to begin with, yet grew the big stuff.
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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Unlike the people on this forum, I don't presume to know how much military spending is required to keep our country safe.
    Your libertarian????
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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The Founders didn't have to fight the Soviets, and they didn't place any restrictions on military spending in the Constitution.



    This is philosophical difference, not an issue about spending.



    It still is.



    I'm sure there was plenty of waste and corruption; it is the government after all, but waste in military spending is more acceptable than waste in entitlement/social programs.



    None of this changes the fact that said entitlement programs required massive amounts of revenue, revenue that could be spent on any number of things, including the military.
    You have forfeited your right to call yourself a libertarian. You sir are a typical "Reagan Republican". That is the same kind of absurd neo-conservative arguments those guys have been making for 30 years now.
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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    That link is laughable. They compare the Reagan years to the Bush / Clinton years and use that to argue that Reagan was better. Thats kind of stupid considering they stop in 1995 and throw Bush Sr. in with Clinton. How about we take the Clinton years and compare them to the Reagan years on their own, or compare them to the Reagan / Bush years being those actually to a degree go together unlike throwing two different presidents in that were in 2 different parties, and comparing them to Reagan.

    Did Reagan cut, say the National Park budget? Sure. Was Ranger Rick's 30k a year the spending problem for government? No, and thats is fundamentally the problem with Reagan Conservatism. They bragged on spending cuts for programs that were small to begin with, yet grew the big stuff.
    What is it exactly in the Cato analysis that is a lie?

    I am still waiting for where you got your numbers for the budget and do you have a clue as to how much the budget was for the military? How about what is discretionary vs. non discretionary spending that you want to blame Reagan for increasing.

    I am still waiting for exactly what Clinton proposed then signed which led to the strong economy you want to give him credit for?
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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Easy question. Yes or no. and Explain why.
    No, because he was the first president since 1950 to increase our debt as a percentage of the GDP.
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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, because he was the first president since 1950 to increase our debt as a percentage of the GDP.
    Does debt only matter to you when it occurs during a Republican Administration? Does Congress have any role in creating that debt?

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Your libertarian????
    I cannot intelligently quantify the amount of money required to keep our country safe and neither can anyone else on this forum. I'm not sure what that has to do with libertarianism...

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    Re: Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You have forfeited your right to call yourself a libertarian. You sir are a typical "Reagan Republican". That is the same kind of absurd neo-conservative arguments those guys have been making for 30 years now.
    Just because I refuse to accept your partisan narrative without question does not mean I'm a "typical Reagan Republican". I've been fooled by too many liberal talking points to start trusting them now. Virtually every time the left says something is manifestly obvious it turns out that it's not obvious at all and is in fact totally wrong. Their common tactic is to declare something true and repeat it as loudly as possible as many times as possible while insulting and labeling anyone who disagrees with them. Kind of like what you're doing right now...

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