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Was Reagan a fiscal/small government conservative?

Was Reagan a fiscal-small government conservative?


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Regicollis;1058691897]Or proving that Obama is as wrong as Bush.



I get it. You think I'm stupid. But please move on and tell me why you think Reagan was a fiscally good president in spite of his borrow and spend policies. Give me all the good arguments why an excellent economic policy should include things as
  • Declining real wages
  • Tripling of national debt
  • Above average unemployment rates
  • Below average increases in job creation and productivity
  • Tax cuts for the rich paid by the middle class
  • Reduction in social programmes

Obviously you didn't live and work in the 80/s because you have no clue as to the economy that was actually inherited, try buying a home at 15% interest rates or having double digit inflation?

Declining wages is a lie

Tripling the national debt happened but Reagan and the Congress doubled the debt, as it ws 900 billion and they added 1.7 trillion to it.

High unemployment was caused by the inherited economic problems left by Carter, something you ignore.

Tax cuts for the rich? LOL, anyone that paid taxes got a tax cut, Obviously you didn't read the facts presented. Tax cuts doubled govt. revenue thus weren't paid for by the middle class. That is an idiotic statement.

Your so called facts are distorted and ignores the conditions in this country when Reagan took office. You also ignore that the American people re-elected Reagan with the biggest landslide in U.S. history in 1984 which goes to prove who they held responsible for the economic numbers of 81-82. Stop talking like an idiot.

I'm really exited to learn about the benefits of these things.

You have no interest in learning the truth because you are conditioned to ignore the truth.




The prime function of government is to provide the greatest amount of happiness to the greatest amount of people, to uphold peace and security and to provide a decent standard of living for those who cannot do so themselves.

Never read the Constitution either, I see. It isn't the role of the govt. to provide anything but equal opportunity and protection. History isn't your friend.

If you want a more balanced budget you could start thinking about the insane military spending.

The role of the govt. is to PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE. and to PROMOTE, not provide domestic welfare.

Thank you for enlightening me on what the intent of a charity is - I really didn't know.

Obviously.

However that knowledge doesn't tell me anything about who the "intended" provider of social services should be. History can not tell us that.

The intended provider of social services was the individual, not the Federal Taxpayer and if that individual had problems then the local community would step up including the churches and charities.


The average intelligence of this thread would definitely be improved if you started to post arguments in favour of your opinions instead of angry rants.

Actually the average intelligence of this thread would go up if liberals stopped posting.
 
This chart was copied from the Haritage Foundatrion web sight. Hardly a left wing organization, and it shows that all republicans give us debt and grow thew government more than the democrats do. Every republicans gave us debt, every republican gives us bigger government, every republican gives us inflation, deficits and a need for another financial bale out of fat cats by the government. Republicans cause the country it's financial problems. Obama will be a pypical democrat and give us less debt than a republican would.
Not sure what's a bigger joke -- the above post, or the poster referring to himself as a moderate.
 
Not sure what's a bigger joke -- the above post, or the poster referring to himself as a moderate.

the bigger joke was your lame effort to ignore the factual content of his post
 
the bigger joke was your lame effort to ignore the factual content of his post


As bad as the joke about being a moderate is the joke that you call yourself an independent. There is nothing independent in your posts as you report distorted information as fact and ignore anything that contradicts the facts.

It is easy to blame Reagan for a debt that you do not understand or an economic policy that creates individual wealth and less govt.dependence. If you were truly independent you too would suppor those policies. There is nothing more independent than being your own person, creating your own wealth, and correcting your own mistakes.
 
Obviously you didn't live and work in the 80/s because you have no clue as to the economy that was actually inherited, try buying a home at 15% interest rates or having double digit inflation?

I never claimed that there was not an economic decline. Reagan just used it as an excuse to slash public services.

Declining wages is a lie

Told by the evil communists at the Labour Statistics Bureau?

Tripling the national debt happened but Reagan and the Congress doubled the debt, as it ws 900 billion and they added 1.7 trillion to it.

High unemployment was caused by the inherited economic problems left by Carter, something you ignore.

Unemployment was lower during the Carter years.

Next time, couldn't you use a less common fallback strategy than blaming the predecessor?

Tax cuts for the rich? LOL, anyone that paid taxes got a tax cut, Obviously you didn't read the facts presented. Tax cuts doubled govt. revenue thus weren't paid for by the middle class. That is an idiotic statement.

The rich got most out of the tax cuts. We all know that.

A lot of middle class tax payers ended up paying more taxes because the AMT removed many deductions.

Your so called facts are distorted and ignores the conditions in this country when Reagan took office. You also ignore that the American people re-elected Reagan with the biggest landslide in U.S. history in 1984 which goes to prove who they held responsible for the economic numbers of 81-82. Stop talking like an idiot.

So because Reagan was re-elected his policies were sound? Does that mean that you consider the New Deal to be sound because the American people re-elected FDR three times?

You have no interest in learning the truth because you are conditioned to ignore the truth.

Then it is good that I have you to provide me with the truth fresh out of the best neo-conservative think thanks.;)

Never read the Constitution either, I see. It isn't the role of the govt. to provide anything but equal opportunity and protection. History isn't your friend.

I have actually read a fair deal of constitutions, including the American. But I fail to see what that has to do with anything. We are having a political argument, not a legal one.

The role of the govt. is to PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE. and to PROMOTE, not provide domestic welfare.

Your statements of opinion does not become more convincing because you are using the Caps Lock key ;)

The intended provider of social services was the individual, not the Federal Taxpayer and if that individual had problems then the local community would step up including the churches and charities.

Interesting opinion. But tell my why that is what is "intended". Who intended it? Government should be organised according to the will of the people, not as a museum of legal history. Times change, and so should government.

Actually the average intelligence of this thread would go up if liberals stopped posting.

Why do you participate in a debate forum if debate is not what you want?
 
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the bigger joke was your lame effort to ignore the factual content of his post
You mean the factual ERRORS, half-truths and lies?
Yes, I ignored then, and reasonably so.
 
You mean the factual ERRORS, half-truths and lies?
Yes, I ignored then, and reasonably so.

of course you did, being without the ability to actually refute them
 
Regicollis;1058692084]I never claimed that there was not an economic decline. Reagan just used it as an excuse to slash public services.

What public services did Reagan slash? Your ignorance is showing. By the way if people keep more of what they need what public services do they really need that aren't being funded by use taxes

Told by the evil communists at the Labour Statistics Bureau?

think it is the role of govt. to regulate wages? Most of the so called wage decline was reversed from 1984 on but then again you ignore that. Plus people kept more of what they earned.

Unemployment was lower during the Carter years.

Unemployment was rising when Reagan took office and he reversed it. Keep ignoring the election of 1984. What did the majority know that your history books arent telling you.

Next time, couldn't you use a less common fallback strategy than blaming the predecessor?

The fallback strategy that you claim I use was actual history, you know, the subject you never took.

The rich got most out of the tax cuts. We all know that.

The rich pay most of the taxes so why shouldn' they? You know, I really don't care how much you make so why do you care how much the rich make, they didn't take it from you.

A lot of middle class tax payers ended up paying more taxes because the AMT removed many deductions.

Yet Reagan won in a landslide and so did GHW Bush. Wonder why?



So because Reagan was re-elected his policies were sound? Does that mean that you consider the New Deal to be sound because the American people re-elected FDR three times?

People vote their pocket books and Reagan policies proved to be sound. FDR played on people's fears and won based upon those fears. His economic policies prolonged the depression.


Then it is good that I have you to provide me with the truth fresh out of the best neo-conservative think thanks.;)

Those so called links reference bea.gov, bls.gov so if you have a better site for non partisan data, please provide it.


I have actually read a fair deal of constitutions, including the American. But I fail to see what that has to do with anything. We are having a political argument, not a legal one.

You obviously don't read very well, try again. The role of the American Govt as defined in that Constitution.



Your statements of opinion does not become more convincing because you are using the Caps Lock key ;)

Using the cap lock highlights the words PROVIDE and PROMOTE. Do you know the difference?


Interesting opinion. But tell my why that is what is "intended". Who intended it? Government should be organised according to the will of the people, not as a museum of legal history. Times change, and so should government.

the will of the people? Almost 50% of the people in this country paid no Federal Income taxes last year. It is the will of those that do not pay to tax those that do more. Those are people just like you that don't know the Constitution or the role of govt.


Why do you participate in a debate forum if debate is not what you want?

Glenn Beck has a new book out Arguing with Idiots. That describes debate in this forum
 
of course you did, being without the ability to actually refute them
Hardly.

and it shows that all republicans give us debt and grow thew government more than the democrats do.
Half-truth, lie.
All Dems give is debt.
Every Dem grew government more than his GOP predecessor.

Every republicans gave us debt, every republican gives us bigger government, every republican gives us inflation, deficits...
half-truth
Same can be said for every Dem.

and a need for another financial bale out of fat cats by the government
Lie, half-truth
Not ever GOP predeisent had a 'bail-out of the a the fat cats'
Dems President have 'bailed out the fat-cats'.

Republicans cause the country it's financial problems.
This is either a lie or factual error rooted in ignorance -either way, it cannot be proven true.

Obama will be a pypical democrat and give us less debt than a republican would.
At this point, The Obama has given us more debt that RWR, and debt exceeding exceeded the total deficts under GWB.
So, This is either a lie or a factual error rooted in ignorance -either way, it cannot be proven true.

And so, my original response stands.

:2wave:
 
Hardly.


Half-truth, lie.
All Dems give is debt.
Every Dem grew government more than his GOP predecessor.


half-truth
Same can be said for every Dem.


Lie, half-truth
Not ever GOP predeisent had a 'bail-out of the a the fat cats'
Dems President have 'bailed out the fat-cats'.


This is either a lie or factual error rooted in ignorance -either way, it cannot be proven true.


At this point, The Obama has given us more debt that RWR, and debt exceeding exceeded the total deficts under GWB.
So, This is either a lie or a factual error rooted in ignorance -either way, it cannot be proven true.

And so, my original response stands.

:2wave:

guess you showed me


ooops, wrong. all you have proven (once again) is your inability to recognize the data from that previously posted chart showing that republican presidents are consistently more likely to spend much more than the government takes in
 
guess you showed me
Yes, yes I did.
Not that you will admit.
In fact, see below...
ooops, wrong. all you have proven (once again) is your inability to recognize the data from that previously posted chart showing that republican presidents are consistently more likely to spend much more than the government takes in
See? What did I just say?
None of that half-truth disproves -anything- I said, whereas everything I said illustrates a factual error, a half-truth, or a lie.

And so, my original response stands.
 
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