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    Would Gene-Engineering Humans be contrary to "God's Plan" or "Evolution?"

    Would Gene-Engineering Humans be contrary to "God's Plan" or "Evolution?"

    By this I mean, if we humans develop the ability to manipulate our own Genes/DNA to the point that we can make changes (for good or bad), would this be contrary to any given arbitrary "Devine Entity Plan" or "Natural Evolutionary Process?"

    It seems to me that it could be, in the first case, simply part of said plan, or in the second case, part of the "Evolutionary Process."

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    Re: Would Gene-Engineering Humans be contrary to "God's Plan" or "Evolution?"

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Would Gene-Engineering Humans be contrary to "God's Plan" or "Evolution?"

    By this I mean, if we humans develop the ability to manipulate our own Genes/DNA to the point that we can make changes (for good or bad), would this be contrary to any given arbitrary "Devine Entity Plan" or "Natural Evolutionary Process?"

    It seems to me that it could be, in the first case, simply part of said plan, or in the second case, part of the "Evolutionary Process."

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    I think gene-engineering would be a wonderful thing. I am in a genetics course right now in college and we have been talking some about gene therapy. I don't support eugenics or sterilizing people because of their genotype, but I do support genetic therapy in the sense of turning off disease causing genes and adding genes that would improve a person's quality of life. Things are very promising in this field, scientists are now looking to find ways to use viruses to deliver genetic material into the living cells of individuals to treat disease and even to stop cancer. I am all for gene-engineering and I don't think it is contrary to "God's Plan" sense it is improving our quality of life and treating disease. I also don't think it's contrary to evolution, if it's all about survival of the fittest genetics I don't see how it would go against the dogma of evolutionary biology and natural selection.

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    Re: Would Gene-Engineering Humans be contrary to "God's Plan" or "Evolution?"

    If you believe in God, wouldn't it make sense that anything we did would be part of God's experiment? After all, we'd be using the brains he gave us, right? If he didn't want us to be able to do something, wouldn't he have made us unable to do that by limiting our intelligence, or some other road block?

    I never bought into that idea that God is watching everybody every second of their life. Like the athlete, when interviewed after the competition says "I owe it all to blah blah blah my lord and savior". As IF their savior helped THEM to win and helped to PREVENT the other guy or team from winning.
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    Re: Would Gene-Engineering Humans be contrary to "God's Plan" or "Evolution?"

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think gene-engineering would be a wonderful thing. I am in a genetics course right now in college and we have been talking some about gene therapy. I don't support eugenics or sterilizing people because of their genotype, but I do support genetic therapy in the sense of turning off disease causing genes and adding genes that would improve a person's quality of life. Things are very promising in this field; scientists are now looking to find ways to use viruses to deliver genetic material into the living cells of individuals to treat disease and even to stop cancer. I am all for gene-engineering and I don't think it isn't contrary to "God's Plan" sense it is improving our quality of life and treating disease. I also don't think it's contrary to evolution, if it's all about survival of the fittest genetics I don't see how it would go against the dogma of evolutionary biology and natural selection.
    Excellent.

    I wonder, however, what kind of safeguards will be needed to prevent unscrupulous persons from half-***ing some gene engineering and causing problems?
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    Re: Would Gene-Engineering Humans be contrary to "God's Plan" or "Evolution?"

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Excellent.

    I wonder, however, what kind of safeguards will be needed to prevent unscrupulous persons from half-***ing some gene engineering and causing problems?
    I guess the only safeguards would be multiple checks to ensure a correct sequence. One nucleotide can throw off an entire protein and effect it's function. If we engineer a gene incorrectly we could be causing serious harm to the patient instead of helping them. The only thing I can really think of now is a peer review process for each genetic sequence for every individual treatment, and maybe also an institution that would oversee genetic engineering.

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    Re: Would Gene-Engineering Humans be contrary to "God's Plan" or "Evolution?"

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Would Gene-Engineering Humans be contrary to "God's Plan" or "Evolution?"

    By this I mean, if we humans develop the ability to manipulate our own Genes/DNA to the point that we can make changes (for good or bad), would this be contrary to any given arbitrary "Devine Entity Plan" or "Natural Evolutionary Process?"

    It seems to me that it could be, in the first case, simply part of said plan, or in the second case, part of the "Evolutionary Process."

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    Well, gene engineering isn't how biological evolution works. But biological evolution is too slow. I think that from here on out, almost all evolution will be done by artificial means.

    So to answer your question, I guess it depends how you're defining evolution.
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    Re: Would Gene-Engineering Humans be contrary to "God's Plan" or "Evolution?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well, gene engineering isn't how biological evolution works. But biological evolution is too slow. I think that from here on out, almost all evolution will be done by artificial means.

    So to answer your question, I guess it depends how you're defining evolution.
    I was actually thinking in terms of "we have evolved to the point that we can alter ourselves", or something.
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    Re: Would Gene-Engineering Humans be contrary to "God's Plan" or "Evolution?"

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I was actually thinking in terms of "we have evolved to the point that we can alter ourselves", or something.
    In that case, I would agree that its the logical progression of evolution. Not that it matters much IMO. Whether or not it's natural should have no bearing on whether or not it's a good idea.
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    Re: Would Gene-Engineering Humans be contrary to "God's Plan" or "Evolution?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    In that case, I would agree that its the logical progression of evolution. Not that it matters much IMO. Whether or not it's natural should have no bearing on whether or not it's a good idea.
    True.

    I personally think that, with enough safeguards to protect against misuse, it could be a greatly helpful development.

    But there would still be instances of misuse...

    I suppose it's a case of "lesser of two evils". I think developing it would be the lesser. One of the reasons I think so is that, eventually, someone is going to develop it anyway. So it would be better to have the ability to repair/counter any negative effects.
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    Re: Would Gene-Engineering Humans be contrary to "God's Plan" or "Evolution?"

    I don't believe in god, so I can't really answer that part of it. It would certainly go against the natural mechanisms of evolution though.

    As far as whether it's a good idea, at this point it's hard to say. It could be the best thing that's ever happened to us, or the worst.
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