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    Re: Are Politics and Religion becoming one and the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I took this to mean that policy and politics are either being more influenced by religion or less, and I say less and exposed the positive/negative effects of secularism. I am all for secularism, but I am not for the silencing of religion simply on "secular" principals. If the voters have religious faith and they democratically vote regarding their faith based positions, there should be no reason to not accept policy regarding such beliefs.
    Actually, I wasn't referring to religion at all, except in comparing it to political positions.

    Religion is, basically, people who believe something, and follow what they believe because they believe that it will get them something, or because they will lose something if they don't follow what they believe.

    Many political positions are, increasingly (IMO), becoming the same...Based upon belief...Or they always have been, according to some who posted here.

    That is my point, or rather, my proposed debate topic.
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    Re: Are Politics and Religion becoming one and the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Actually, I wasn't referring to religion at all, except in comparing it to political positions.

    Religion is, basically, people who believe something, and follow what they believe because they believe that it will get them something, or because they will lose something if they don't follow what they believe.

    Many political positions are, increasingly (IMO), becoming the same...Based upon belief...Or they always have been, according to some who posted here.

    That is my point, or rather, my proposed debate topic.
    Ok, So you mean based on belief and not religion? Sorry for the missunderstanding I guess in regards to that I would say that policy is being based on beliefs. "If we pas X, Y will happen." It doesn't seem to be based on reason such as "We believe according to research that passing X will lead to Y, history has shown this and leading experts from many political spectrums say..." In a sense like this I say it's more belief and not reason.

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    Re: Are Politics and Religion becoming one and the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Ok, So you mean based on belief and not religion? Sorry for the missunderstanding I guess in regards to that I would say that policy is being based on beliefs. "If we pas X, Y will happen." It doesn't seem to be based on reason such as "We believe according to research that passing X will lead to Y, history has shown this and leading experts from many political spectrums say..." In a sense like this I say it's more belief and not reason.
    Precisely what I was talking about.
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    Re: Are Politics and Religion becoming one and the same?

    They have been for quite some time. Some believers just don't realize they are believers.

    I tried starting a thread for discussion of the subject awhile back, but nobody would bite.
    Last edited by lizzie; 02-11-10 at 10:53 PM.

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    Re: Are Politics and Religion becoming one and the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    They have been for quite some time. Some believers just don't realize they are believers.

    I tried starting a thread for discussion of the subject awhile back, but nobody would bite.
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    Re: Are Politics and Religion becoming one and the same?

    socialism is a faith based ideology. So is Obamunism. It is a belief system incapable of rational evaluation.



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    Re: Are Politics and Religion becoming one and the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by turtledude View Post
    socialism is a faith based ideology. So is obamunism. It is a belief system incapable of rational evaluation.
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    Re: Are Politics and Religion becoming one and the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    socialism is a faith based ideology. So is Obamunism. It is a belief system incapable of rational evaluation.
    You had to go there, didn't you.

    Now my precious thread will decend into partisan bickering...

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    Re: Are Politics and Religion becoming one and the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    no I think a lot of the bible has a lot of very strongly presented pro-proletarian attitudes. Christians should be Communists. But they tend to focus on the 5% of the bible regarding genital conduct rather then the 95% regarding helping people.
    You obviously don't know much about communism or Chrsitians to make that statement.

    Communism is directly opposed to the idea's of Christ. He was no communist, and did not teach anything like it. The Bible was not meant as any kind of governmental or political philosophy like communism, or any ism for that matter. His law is one of spiritual guidence, not political guidence.

    We are taught to be charitable and obey the law. We are taught to be humble and not prideful. Most importantly we are taught to love God above all things and to love our fellow man and treat him as we would like to be treated. Nothing even remotely communist in that.
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    Re: Are Politics and Religion becoming one and the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Communism is directly opposed to the idea's of Christ. He was no communist, and did not teach anything like it.
    Yeah, I kind of see him as libertarian-type myself.

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