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Is Global Warming a myth?

Is Global Warming a myth?


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I did cite it, didn't you read it?

Facts not considered to produce your logic, but which are facts nonetheless:

1) Warming trend started 150 years before 1800.

2) CO2 trends rise AFTER warming trend. Claiming CO2 rise causes warming trend violates fact and hence logic.

3) The creation of clouds from water vapor create negative feedback to cancel your alleged positive feedback.

4) Your "logic" can't account for the cooling experienced in the last decade. A positive control loop that increases temperature can't be used to explain decreases in temperature. Hence, your logic is half-assed.

5) Hotter water in the Atlantic means more rain, more hurricanes. The Southern states have suffered drought and that drought has been exacerbated by a notable shortage of hurricanes in the last half-decade.

Yes I see the citations in that :roll:

That you won't understand that the warming trend began at the very coldest part of the Little Ice Age merely highlights your ignorance of the topic at hand, and further shows your grasp on logic is weak.

Please cite that. You are currently arguing that the return to status quo has been happening since the end of the Little Ice Age, and you seem to be mixing that with the climate change beyond the previous status quo.


I did not say the current warming trend began ca. 1800. The Gaia Worshippers have. I said it began 150 years before that. The bottom of the Little Ice Age happened ca. 1650.

Either way, cite it. You're mixing the end of the Little Ice Age and the beginning of ACC.
 
Yes I see the citations in that :roll:



Please cite that.

I have to cite a reference that states that one marks the beginning of a trend where the first and second derivatives of the defining function are both equal to zero?

Just read any calculus book, okay?

You are currently arguing that the return to status quo has been happening since the end of the Little Ice Age, and you seem to be mixing that with the climate change beyond the previous status quo.

Nope, not one time have I EVER said today's climate variations are anything outside statistically standard deviations.
 
I have to cite a reference that states that one marks the beginning of a trend where the first and second derivatives of the defining function are both equal to zero?

Just read any calculus book, okay?

Oh wow, you used some big words, does it make you feel smart :lol:

You have yet to establish that there is indeed something to shift the climate back to its original point, as of yet, the only thing explained in terms of a feedback was my idea of a positive feedback loop. You mentioned a negative feedback system, but you have yet to explain it. Furthermore, you have as of yet failed to show that the warming trend from 1650 has continued, and you have also failed to even explain why.

Nope, not one time have I EVER said today's climate variations are anything outside statistically standard deviations.


Then stop throwing up crap to hide what you're really saying. You're just wasting my time right now, so get your crap together.
 
"The finding that the climate has warmed in recent decades and that human activities are already contributing adversely to global climate change has been endorsed by every national science academy that has issued a statement on climate change, including the science academies of all of the major industrialized countries.[25] With the release of the revised statement by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists in 2007[26], no remaining scientific society is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate change."
Global warming controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
"The finding that the climate has warmed in recent decades and that human activities are already contributing adversely to global climate change has been endorsed by every national science academy that has issued a statement on climate change, including the science academies of all of the major industrialized countries.[25] With the release of the revised statement by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists in 2007[26], no remaining scientific society is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate change."
Global warming controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Still hanging on to that blind faith of yours, eh?
 
Oh wow, you used some big words, does it make you feel smart :lol:

You have yet to establish that there is indeed something to shift the climate back to its original point, as of yet, the only thing explained in terms of a feedback was my idea of a positive feedback loop.

Oh? You're claiming the climate is being restored to some pre-determined prior case?

Why?

I've been saying the climate exists within known boundaries and is maintained therein by various control functions. Your depiction of a geometrically increasing (aka "positive feedback") control function ins't consistent with observed facts.

You mentioned a negative feedback system, but you have yet to explain it. Furthermore, you have as of yet failed to show that the warming trend from 1650 has continued, and you have also failed to even explain why.

Oh, so you say I don't say it, then you say I say it.

I don't need to explain it. It's called "weather". This "weather" thing adjusts the local distribution of atmospheric energy daily, and given the nature of the hydrologic cycle it's very efficient at shifting energy levels back to their long term normals. Water evaporates from oceans under sunlight, forms clouds that limit the sunlight. Water falls as snow and the increased albedo decreases the net planetary insolation and reduces the evaporation cycle. This changing equilibrium has been in effect since South America rammed North America and created the Isthmus of Panama. Yes, ocean currents play a role too. The whole system is so complex the people pushing their AGW religion can't understand it, either, which is why their theories failed.

Since, however, AGW does not explain current climate shifts, it's not worth much as a theory. A political propaganda tool it works well, but it's not science.

Then stop throwing up crap to hide what you're really saying. You're just wasting my time right now, so get your crap together.

I apologize for your failure to understand first semester calculus. But it's not my fault.
 
Still hanging on to that blind faith of yours, eh?

Did you read where they finally found Al Gore?

But what a burden would be lifted! We would no longer have to worry that our grandchildren would one day look back on us as a criminal generation that had selfishly and blithely ignored clear warnings that their fate was in our hands.

Well, we've been warning them, it's up to the politicians to start listening so they don't squander our children's inheritance trying to stop the progressions of perfectly natural cyclic climate changes.


I, for one, genuinely wish that the climate crisis were an illusion.

Hey! Al Gore's wishes come true!

If only he'd wished for a brain, or some integrity....


The heavy snowfalls this month have been used as fodder for ridicule by those who argue that global warming is a myth, yet scientists have long pointed out that warmer global temperatures have been increasing the rate of evaporation from the oceans, putting significantly more moisture into the atmosphere — thus causing heavier downfalls of both rain and snow in particular regions, including the Northeastern United States. Just as it’s important not to miss the forest for the trees, neither should we miss the climate for the snowstorm.

He must be referring to the times when the AGW freaks aren't busy running around and blaming the world's droughts on AGW. So, according to the AGW freaks, AGW simultaneously causes droughts and increased precipitation.
 
Still hanging on to that blind faith of yours, eh?

Yes, I still have faith in the consensus of every scientific society on the planet.

But that's just me, I understand there are more important considerations to others than science.
 
It would appear from recent news that Monsanto believes in AGW enough to make significant investments, even in the current financial climate.



Monsanto bets that global warming is real | The Platform | STLtoday

No, it means Mosanto sees the prospect of making money.

I've this feeling the people who put up the investment capital for pet rocks didn't believe that the rocks needed special care and feeding.

And look at all the people that gave money to Bernie Madoff, even though he, like the AGW people, couldn't explain what he was doing without getting into trouble.
 
Then why do all the science organizations agree on AGW?
All the science organizations believed the sun revolved around the earth.
Then, people showed them otherwise, and they were eventaully forced to admit that their faith was flawed.
Maybe someday you will have the courage to question your faith.
 
All the science organizations believed the sun revolved around the earth.
Then, people showed them otherwise, and they were eventaully forced to admit that their faith was flawed.
Maybe someday you will have the courage to question your faith.

Not big on science huh? What do you believe instead?
 
Then why do all the science organizations agree on AGW?

Politics.

It's clear the data doesn't support AGW, if it did, there wouldn't be any need to falsify the data and otherwise commit scientific fraud.

As the current global cooling trend continues, (last decade warmest ever, can you BELIEVE the bs they push?), how long will they hang onto their failed theory?

You are aware that at one time scientific "consensus" said the earth was less than 8000 years old, right, and that everything could be explained by Noah's Flood, aren't you?

Facts trump science.

Facts say AGW is bunk.
 
All the science organizations believed the sun revolved around the earth.
Then, people showed them otherwise, and they were eventaully forced to admit that their faith was flawed.
Maybe someday you will have the courage to question your faith.

Naturally, Al Bore isn't a Galilleo. More like a Borgia Pope, he is.
 
Looks like this might be a good time to define denialism:

"Denialism is choosing to deny reality as a way to avoid an uncomfortable truth:[1] "[it] is the refusal to accept an empirically verifiable reality. It is an essentially irrational action that withholds validation of a historical experience or event."[2]

It has been proposed that the various forms of denialism have the common feature of the rejection of overwhelming evidence and the generation of an artificial controversy through attempts to deny that a consensus exists.[3] The terms "Holocaust denialism", and "AIDS denialism" have been used,[4][5][6][7][8] and the term "climate change denialists" has been applied to those who refuse to accept that climate change is occurring.[9][10][11][12] Several motivations for denial have been proposed, including religious beliefs and self-interest, or simply as a psychological defense mechanism against disturbing ideas."

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denialism]Denialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
Looks like this might be a good time to define denialism:

"Denialism is choosing to deny reality as a way to avoid an uncomfortable truth:[1] "[it] is the refusal to accept an empirically verifiable reality. It is an essentially irrational action that withholds validation of a historical experience or event."[2]

It has been proposed that the various forms of denialism have the common feature of the rejection of overwhelming evidence and the generation of an artificial controversy through attempts to deny that a consensus exists.[3] The terms "Holocaust denialism", and "AIDS denialism" have been used,[4][5][6][7][8] and the term "climate change denialists" has been applied to those who refuse to accept that climate change is occurring.[9][10][11][12] Several motivations for denial have been proposed, including religious beliefs and self-interest, or simply as a psychological defense mechanism against disturbing ideas."

Denialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So you're saying that your dream of the sky falling is a denial of the truth, which is that humans don't have the power to alter the global climate.

All you need to do now is stop denying that you're denying this.
 
As with Glaciers all over the planet, US glaciers melting faster than expected:

"Fifty years of U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) research on glacier change shows recent dramatic shrinkage of glaciers in three climatic regions of the United States. These long periods of record provide clues to the climate shifts that may be driving glacier change.

The USGS Benchmark Glacier Program began in 1957 as a result of research efforts during the International Geophysical Year (Meier and others, 1971). Annual data collection occurs at three glaciers that represent three climatic regions in the United States: South Cascade Glacier in the Cascade Mountains of Washington State; Wolverine Glacier on the Kenai Peninsula near Anchorage, Alaska; and Gulkana Glacier in the interior of Alaska."

USGS Fact Sheet 2009?3046: Fifty-Year Record of Glacier Change Reveals Shifting Climate in the Pacific Northwest and Alaska, USA
 
As with Glaciers all over the planet, US glaciers melting faster than expected:

How did the globe's glaciers fare in the last three interstadial epochs, to provide a meaningful basis for comparison?

Projecting trends from a single data point is either really difficult, or really easy, depending on how strongly one's desire for specific results overrides one's desire for integrity.
 
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How did the globe's glaciers fare in the last three interstadial epochs, to provide a meaningful basis for comparison?

Projecting trends from a single data point is either really difficult, or really easy, depending on how strongly one's desire for specific results overrides one's desire for integrity.

Let's take a look at your source that says man is not affecting this warming period?

All of the world's science Academies have concurred with AGW.
 
More proof GW info is not credible and the scientist are corrupt

Climategate professor Phil Jones admits sending 'pretty awful emails' | Mail Online


Scientists at the heart of the Climategate row were yesterday accused by a leading academic body of undermining science's credibility.

The Institute of Physics said 'worrying implications' had been raised after it was revealed the University of East Anglia had manipulated data on global warming.

The rebuke - the strongest yet from the scientific community - came as Professor Phil Jones, the researcher at the heart of the scandal, told MPs he had written 'some pretty awful emails' - but denied trying to suppress data.
Professor Phil Jones


The Climategate row, which was first revealed by the Daily Mail in November, was triggered when a hacker stole hundreds of emails sent from East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit.

They revealed scientists plotting how to avoid responding to Freedom of Information requests from climate change sceptics.

Some even appeared to show the researchers discussing how to manipulate raw data from tree rings about historical temperatures.

In one, Professor Jones talks about using a 'trick' to massage figures and 'hide the decline'.




Giving evidence to a Science and Technology Committee inquiry, the Institute of Physics said: 'Unless the disclosed emails are proved to be forgeries or adaptations, worrying implications arise for the integrity of scientific research and for the credibility of the scientific method.

'The principle that scientists should be willing to expose their results to independent testing and replication by others, which requires the open exchange of data, procedures and materials, is vital.'

Last month, the Information Commissioner ruled the CRU had broken Freedom of Information rules by refusing to hand over raw data.

But yesterday Professor Jones - in his first public appearance since the scandal broke - denied manipulating the figures.

Looking pale and clasping his shaking hands in front of him, he told MPs: 'I have obviously written some pretty awful emails.'

He admitted withholding data about global temperatures but said the information was publicly available from American websites.

And he claimed it was not 'standard practice' to release data and computer models so other scientists could check and challenge research.
 
Let's take a look at your source that says man is not affecting this warming period?

All of the world's science Academies have concurred with AGW.

All the world's catholic churches agree with the Pope.

What's your point? You believe science is a democratic process? Since the last ten years were NOT the warmest decade on record (since the last decade has seen a global cooldown, it clearly CAN'T be the warmest ever), how can you trust agencies that say it was?
 
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