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Is Global Warming a myth?

Is Global Warming a myth?

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bowerbird said:
Okay a couple of points

Weather is not the same as CLIMATE

Regional is not the same as GLOBAL

The USA is only 2% of the Earth

I know a lot of Americans think that it is all of the Globe but, sorry it isn't.

Meanwhile back in Vancouver they are looking to ship snow in for the Olympics
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In any case, recent weather is more indicative of global warming then against global warming.
 
Ethereal said:
Have you been reading the papers in your own country, because Hadley CRU is in your neck of the woods, mate...

There was obvious manipulation of data and the peer-review process by top climate scientists.
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The Met Office (Hadley Centre) and the CRU at the University of East Anglia are different organisations in different places, though both are in the same country, so you are nearly right. But then nearly isn't enough.
 
bowerbird said:
Actually the Emails really proved that there was no conspiracy - some academic argy bargy sure but no conspiracy
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They were manipulating data and trying to circumvent the peer review process. Not sure if that's the same thing as "argy bargy"...

Mann has now been officially cleared of misconduct as well

'Hockey stick' graph creator Michael Mann cleared of academic misconduct | Environment | The Guardian
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The prominent university professor was cleared by his friends and colleagues, so just ignore the fact that his famous graph was total crap...got it.
 
Ethereal said:
The prominent university professor was cleared by his friends and colleagues, so just ignore the fact that his famous graph was total crap...got it.
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So...you're basically saying that every reasonable piece of evidence that goes against your arguement is "total crap." Got it ;)
 
Ethereal said:
They were manipulating data and trying to circumvent the peer review process. Not sure if that's the same thing as "argy bargy"...



The prominent university professor was cleared by his friends and colleagues, so just ignore the fact that his famous graph was total crap...got it.
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No conspiracy - out of 10 repeat TEN years of emails - what did the denialists dig up?

A scarce half dozen which even then had to be quoted out of context to even begin to look like something that might mean something which could indicate there was a possibility people were not, maybe, being honest.

NOT a world wide conspiracy unless you have the ability to make a mountain out of a mole turd
 
bowerbird said:
No conspiracy - out of 10 repeat TEN years of emails - what did the denialists dig up?

A scarce half dozen which even then had to be quoted out of context to even begin to look like something that might mean something which could indicate there was a possibility people were not, maybe, being honest.

NOT a world wide conspiracy unless you have the ability to make a mountain out of a mole turd
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They were manipulating data and trying to circumvent the peer review process. The emails prove that. If that doesn't bother you, then you need to pull your head out of the sand.
 
Ethereal said:
They were manipulating data and trying to circumvent the peer review process. The emails prove that. If that doesn't bother you, then you need to pull your head out of the sand.
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That really just missed what Bower said...
 
repeter said:
That really just missed what Bower said...
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I never said there was a worldwide conspiracy, so I didn't miss anything.

Repeat: Some of the most prominent and vocal climate "scientists" were manipulating data and trying to circumvent the peer-review process, but I guess as long as there isn't a worldwide conspiracy then it's nothing to worry about...:roll:
 
Ethereal said:
I never said there was a worldwide conspiracy, so I didn't miss anything.

Repeat: Some of the most prominent and vocal climate "scientists" were manipulating data and trying to circumvent the peer-review process, but I guess as long as there isn't a worldwide conspiracy then it's nothing to worry about...:roll:
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I think everyone would appreciate it if you read, and then responded to what Bower said, rather then continuing to make the same claims you've made throughout the history of this thread.
 
Ethereal said:
I never said there was a worldwide conspiracy, so I didn't miss anything.

Repeat: Some of the most prominent and vocal climate "scientists" were manipulating data and trying to circumvent the peer-review process, but I guess as long as there isn't a worldwide conspiracy then it's nothing to worry about...:roll:
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The CRU is a department of the 34th rated University in Britain. They're not really that influential, but then your blog source probably doesn't know that. Either that or he does know, but inflates their importance to make his pinpricks seem relevant.
 
Ethereal said:
They were manipulating data and trying to circumvent the peer review process. The emails prove that. If that doesn't bother you, then you need to pull your head out of the sand.
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Prove to me that the emails said that
 
Ethereal said:
I never said there was a worldwide conspiracy, so I didn't miss anything.

Repeat: Some of the most prominent and vocal climate "scientists" were manipulating data and trying to circumvent the peer-review process, but I guess as long as there isn't a worldwide conspiracy then it's nothing to worry about...:roll:
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I certainly don't

ONE university out of HOW many in the UK?

ONE Country out of over 187 signatories to the Kyoto protocols.

There is more than one or two scientists working on this problem - there are THOUSANDS in universities and met offices in countries throughout the world.

Do you see the REAL significance of the emails now?
 
Manc Skipper said:
The CRU is a department of the 34th rated University in Britain. They're not really that influential, but then your blog source probably doesn't know that. Either that or he does know, but inflates their importance to make his pinpricks seem relevant.
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Are you lying purposely or just speaking from ignorance?

Researchers at CRU, one of the world's leading research bodies on natural and human-induced climate change, played a key role in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report, which is considered to be the most authoritative report of its kind.

BBC News - Hackers target leading climate research unit
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Civility folks, civility. Debate the issue and not the poster. This is your warning before infractions and/or thread bans ensue.
 
bowerbird said:
Prove to me that the emails said that
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Here's the data manipulation...

From: Phil Jones
To: ray bradley ,mann@xxxxx.xxx, mhughes@xxxx.xxx
Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:31:15 +0000
Cc: k.briffa@xxx.xx.xx,t.osborn@xxxx.xxx
Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,
Once Tim’s got a diagram here we’ll send that either later today or
first thing tomorrow.
I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from
1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline. Mike’s series got the annual
land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land
N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999
for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with
data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.
Thanks for the comments, Ray.
Cheers
Phil
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) xxxxx
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) xxxx
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jones@xxxx.xxx
NR4 7TJ
UK
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Full explanation can be found here.

And here's trying to circumvent the peer-review process...

I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report," Jones writes. "Kevin and I will keep them out somehow -- even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"

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Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal.

I will be emailing the journal to tell them I'm having nothing more to do with it until they rid themselves of this troublesome editor.

In the trenches on climate change, hostility among foes - washingtonpost.com
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Don't you read the papers?
 
Ethereal said:
Here's the data manipulation...



Full explanation can be found here.

And here's trying to circumvent the peer-review process...


Don't you read the papers?
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Could you please provide one more link? I looked the link you provided over, and I noticed it seemed distinctly bias. When it said Jones confession, with confession crossed out, I really couldn't take this link very seriously.
 
repeter said:
Could you please provide one more link? I looked the link you provided over, and I noticed it seemed distinctly bias. When it said Jones confession, with confession crossed out, I really couldn't take this link very seriously.
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Typical issue avoidance....

McIntyre is the person who discredited the Hockey Stick Graph. His analysis is sound.
 
repeter said:
Could you please provide one more link? I looked the link you provided over, and I noticed it seemed distinctly bias. When it said Jones confession, with confession crossed out, I really couldn't take this link very seriously.
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Steven Mcintyre - the man in the middle of the CRU mailings - there is mutual hatred there - I would not take anything from there as being trustworthy
 
bowerbird said:
Steven Mcintyre - the man in the middle of the CRU mailings - there is mutual hatred there - I would not take anything from there as being trustworthy
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Oh please, because McIntyre might be involved, so you've found a loophole to discredit the whole CRU thing. Reach much? :roll:
 
Utah takes a stand.


Utah delivers vote of no confidence for 'climate alarmists' | Environment | guardian.co.uk

Carbon dioxide is "essentially harmless" to human beings and good for plants. So now will you stop worrying about global warming?

Utah's House of Representatives apparently has at least. Officially the most Republican state in America, its political masters have adopted a resolution condemning "climate alarmists", and disputing any scientific basis for global warming.

The measure, which passed by 56-17, has no legal force, though it was predictably claimed by climate change sceptics as a great victory in the wake of the controversy caused by a mistake over Himalayan glaciers in the UN's landmark report on global warming.

But it does offer a view of state politicians' concerns in Utah which is a major oil and coal producing state.
 
ptif219 said:
Utah takes a stand.


Utah delivers vote of no confidence for 'climate alarmists' | Environment | guardian.co.uk

Carbon dioxide is "essentially harmless" to human beings and good for plants. So now will you stop worrying about global warming?

Utah's House of Representatives apparently has at least. Officially the most Republican state in America, its political masters have adopted a resolution condemning "climate alarmists", and disputing any scientific basis for global warming.

The measure, which passed by 56-17, has no legal force, though it was predictably claimed by climate change sceptics as a great victory in the wake of the controversy caused by a mistake over Himalayan glaciers in the UN's landmark report on global warming.

But it does offer a view of state politicians' concerns in Utah which is a major oil and coal producing state.
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I see, so Utah (pop 2.7m) has a mini-assembly that votes not to believe in the threat of climate change and this is meant to lend weight to the argument? Perhaps we should do a review of every state and regional assembly and see what their take is on the matter. I believe the Welsh assembly (Pop. of Wales 3 million) take quite a strong view that climate change IS caused by human activity. Does that balance things out for you?

No, thought not.

Please, let's keep it serious.
 
Andalublue said:
I see, so Utah (pop 2.7m) has a mini-assembly that votes not to believe in the threat of climate change and this is meant to lend weight to the argument? Perhaps we should do a review of every state and regional assembly and see what their take is on the matter. I believe the Welsh assembly (Pop. of Wales 3 million) take quite a strong view that climate change IS caused by human activity. Does that balance things out for you?

No, thought not.

Please, let's keep it serious.
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It shows the affect of the lies and fraud being revealed has.
 
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