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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Because you didn't refute his claim that the data has been manipulated.
    Who's claim? The Institute of Physics, who is conducting the inquiry has stated that nothing found indicates the science behind ACC is not sound.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Eemian InterstadialThe Eemian climate is believed to have been about as stable as, but probably warmer than, that of the Holocene. The warmest peak of the Eemian was around 125,000 years ago, when forests reached as far north as North Cape (which is now tundra) in northern Norway well above the Arctic Circle at 71°10′21″N 25°47′40″E / 71.1725°N 25.79444°E / 71.1725; 25.79444. Hardwood trees like hazel and oak grew as far north as Oulu, Finland. Sea levels at that time were 4-6 meters (13 to 20 feet) higher than they are now, indicating greater deglaciation than today (mostly from partial melting of the ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica).
    It goes on and one, but the Eemian was apparently a geological epoch warmer than today's.

    How could it be warmer 125000 years ago when the AGW cult insists that this last decade, which btw was cooler than the 1990's, was the warmest decade ever?

    Also, since the mean global temps were 1-2 degress K warmer than today, why aren't the AGW folks out there searching for Atlantis, since only an Atlantean Industrial Revolution could have poured that much CO2 into the air to accomplish this feat.

    Or, maybe, just maybe, the AGW Cult has it's head up it's religious politically motivated collectivist ass and and there's more to normal climate shifts than they're claiming.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Who's claim? The Institute of Physics, who is conducting the inquiry has stated that nothing found indicates the science behind ACC is not sound.
    The use of basic english rules will guide you in the discovery of who I was referring to.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It goes on and one, but the Eemian was apparently a geological epoch warmer than today's.

    How could it be warmer 125000 years ago when the AGW cult insists that this last decade, which btw was cooler than the 1990's, was the warmest decade ever?

    Also, since the mean global temps were 1-2 degress K warmer than today, why aren't the AGW folks out there searching for Atlantis, since only an Atlantean Industrial Revolution could have poured that much CO2 into the air to accomplish this feat.

    Or, maybe, just maybe, the AGW Cult has it's head up it's religious politically motivated collectivist ass and and there's more to normal climate shifts than they're claiming.
    The Eemian period peaked in warmth 125,000 years ago, was caused by natural sources and did not increase global temperatures to what they have been during the last 2 decades under man's contribution of greenhouse gasses.

    World Meteorological Organization and NOAA both report: 2000-2009 is the hottest decade on record!
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Eemian period peaked in warmth 125,000 years ago, was caused by natural sources and did not increase global temperatures to what they have been during the last 2 decades under man's contribution of greenhouse gasses.
    Oh, so when it says that the Eemian was 1-2 degrees warmer what it means it that it was some special kind of warmer, not what we call "warmer" today, and that sometimes "warmer" means "cooler", which begs the question of what it is you mean when you say this decade is "warmer" than the last one when it was measurably "cooler".
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Oh, so when it says that the Eemian was 1-2 degrees warmer what it means it that it was some special kind of warmer, not what we call "warmer" today, and that sometimes "warmer" means "cooler", which begs the question of what it is you mean when you say this decade is "warmer" than the last one when it was measurably "cooler".
    From your article:

    "Kaspar et al. (GRL, 2005) perform a comparison of a coupled general circulation model (GCM) with reconstructed Eemian temperatures for Europe. Central Europe (north of the Alps) is found to be 1–2 °C warmer than present; south of the alps conditions are 1–2 °C cooler than today."

    Here is what the World Meteorological Organization and NOAA both report:

    "2000-2009 is the hottest decade on record!

    Now, however, it is official from the World Meteorological Organization, in their news release today “2000-2009, The Warmest Decade“:

    The decade of the 2000s (2000–2009) was warmer than the decade spanning the 1990s (1990–1999), which in turn was warmer than the 1980s (1980–1989).

    The NYT story was based on the WMO release early today, but NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center also reports today:

    The 2000 – 2009 decade will be the warmest on record, with its average global surface temperature about 0.96 degree F above the 20th century average. This will easily surpass the 1990s value of 0.65 degree F.

    As for 2009, it is on track to be the 5th warmest the way WMO calculates global temps, which figures in the Hadley/CRU data. But 2009 could easily be as high as the second warmest in the NASA dataset (see “Must-see NASA figures compare 2009 to the two hottest years on record: 2005 and 2007“), which is almost certainly more accurate than the Hadley/CRU dataset (see “Why are Hadley and CRU withholding vital climate data from the public?“). We’ll hear from NASA in the next few days.

    What makes these record temps especially impressive is that we’re at “the deepest solar minimum in nearly a century,” according to NASA. It’s just hard to stop the march of anthropogenic global warming, well, other than by reducing GHG emissions, that is."

    World Meteorological Organization and NOAA both report: 2000-2009 is the hottest decade on record Climate Progress
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    This is the most complete conglomeration of data and analysis I've seen. It's not particularly well organized but check it out and draw your own conclusions.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    This is the most complete conglomeration of data and analysis I've seen. It's not particularly well organized but check it out and draw your own conclusions.


    It is out of date, it does not consider data past 2008.

    See the link above to more recent data by WMO and NOAA that shows the decade 2000 - 2009 was the warmest on record.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What makes these record temps especially impressive is that we’re at “the deepest solar minimum in nearly a century,” according to NASA. It’s just hard to stop the march of anthropogenic global warming, well, other than by reducing GHG emissions, that is."[/I]
    World Meteorological Organization and NOAA both report: 2000-2009 is the hottest decade on record Climate Progress
    Oh.

    I see.

    The sun doesn't count for global climate except when you use it.

    Meanwhile, how about if you start explaining why the last decade, which was cooler than the one preceding it, is called "warmest ever"?

    Common English usage reserves the "-est" ending for the extreme, so if one decade is warmer than the subsequent decade, it's grammatically incorrect to call the latter decade the "warmest".

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is out of date, it does not consider data past 2008.

    See the link above to more recent data by WMO and NOAA that shows the decade 2000 - 2009 was the warmest on record.
    Oh, by the way, is that NOAA GISS that refuses to submit it's data for peer-review?

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