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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    As with Glaciers all over the planet, US glaciers melting faster than expected:

    "Fifty years of U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) research on glacier change shows recent dramatic shrinkage of glaciers in three climatic regions of the United States. These long periods of record provide clues to the climate shifts that may be driving glacier change.

    The USGS Benchmark Glacier Program began in 1957 as a result of research efforts during the International Geophysical Year (Meier and others, 1971). Annual data collection occurs at three glaciers that represent three climatic regions in the United States: South Cascade Glacier in the Cascade Mountains of Washington State; Wolverine Glacier on the Kenai Peninsula near Anchorage, Alaska; and Gulkana Glacier in the interior of Alaska."

    USGS Fact Sheet 2009?3046: Fifty-Year Record of Glacier Change Reveals Shifting Climate in the Pacific Northwest and Alaska, USA
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As with Glaciers all over the planet, US glaciers melting faster than expected:
    How did the globe's glaciers fare in the last three interstadial epochs, to provide a meaningful basis for comparison?

    Projecting trends from a single data point is either really difficult, or really easy, depending on how strongly one's desire for specific results overrides one's desire for integrity.
    Last edited by Scarecrow Akhbar; 03-01-10 at 11:11 PM.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    How did the globe's glaciers fare in the last three interstadial epochs, to provide a meaningful basis for comparison?

    Projecting trends from a single data point is either really difficult, or really easy, depending on how strongly one's desire for specific results overrides one's desire for integrity.
    Let's take a look at your source that says man is not affecting this warming period?

    All of the world's science Academies have concurred with AGW.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    More proof GW info is not credible and the scientist are corrupt

    Climategate professor Phil Jones admits sending 'pretty awful emails' | Mail Online


    Scientists at the heart of the Climategate row were yesterday accused by a leading academic body of undermining science's credibility.

    The Institute of Physics said 'worrying implications' had been raised after it was revealed the University of East Anglia had manipulated data on global warming.

    The rebuke - the strongest yet from the scientific community - came as Professor Phil Jones, the researcher at the heart of the scandal, told MPs he had written 'some pretty awful emails' - but denied trying to suppress data.
    Professor Phil Jones


    The Climategate row, which was first revealed by the Daily Mail in November, was triggered when a hacker stole hundreds of emails sent from East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit.

    They revealed scientists plotting how to avoid responding to Freedom of Information requests from climate change sceptics.

    Some even appeared to show the researchers discussing how to manipulate raw data from tree rings about historical temperatures.

    In one, Professor Jones talks about using a 'trick' to massage figures and 'hide the decline'.




    Giving evidence to a Science and Technology Committee inquiry, the Institute of Physics said: 'Unless the disclosed emails are proved to be forgeries or adaptations, worrying implications arise for the integrity of scientific research and for the credibility of the scientific method.

    'The principle that scientists should be willing to expose their results to independent testing and replication by others, which requires the open exchange of data, procedures and materials, is vital.'

    Last month, the Information Commissioner ruled the CRU had broken Freedom of Information rules by refusing to hand over raw data.

    But yesterday Professor Jones - in his first public appearance since the scandal broke - denied manipulating the figures.

    Looking pale and clasping his shaking hands in front of him, he told MPs: 'I have obviously written some pretty awful emails.'

    He admitted withholding data about global temperatures but said the information was publicly available from American websites.

    And he claimed it was not 'standard practice' to release data and computer models so other scientists could check and challenge research.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Let's take a look at your source that says man is not affecting this warming period?

    All of the world's science Academies have concurred with AGW.
    All the world's catholic churches agree with the Pope.

    What's your point? You believe science is a democratic process? Since the last ten years were NOT the warmest decade on record (since the last decade has seen a global cooldown, it clearly CAN'T be the warmest ever), how can you trust agencies that say it was?

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Let's take a look at your source that says man is not affecting this warming period?

    All of the world's science Academies have concurred with AGW.
    The thing is that not all of the world's academics support AGW. In fact a petition was signed and over 30,000 scientists disagree with AGW. Global Warming Petition Project

    And what about one of AGW leading scientists admitting to fraud and saying there may have not been any significant warming? I believe a poster somewhere here as already provided a link to the article. Besides, consensus doesn't automatically make something true. Science has disproved global warming, and it has been exposed for the fraud that it is. AGw isn't so much scientific as much as it is political.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Phil Jones Says NOT WARMING
    From: Phil Jones
    To: John Christy
    Subject: This and that
    Date: Tue Jul 5 15:51:55 2005

    The scientific community would come down on me in no uncertain terms if I said the world had cooled from 1998. OK it has but it is only 7 years of data and it isn’t statistically significant.
    One of the arch-priests of the religion of global warming says the planet has been cooling.

    How Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming Zealots Hide the Truth
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The thing is that not all of the world's academics support AGW.
    See below:

    "The finding that the climate has warmed in recent decades and that human activities are already contributing adversely to global climate change has been endorsed by every national science academy that has issued a statement on climate change, including the science academies of all of the major industrialized countries.[25] With the release of the revised statement by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists in 2007[26], no remaining scientific society is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate change."
    Global warming controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    See below:

    "The finding that the climate has warmed in recent decades and that human activities are already contributing adversely to global climate change has been endorsed by every national science academy that has issued a statement on climate change, including the science academies of all of the major industrialized countries.[25] With the release of the revised statement by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists in 2007[26], no remaining scientific society is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate change."
    Global warming controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Quoting liberally biased wikipedia isn't very credible. The facts are that science supports that AGW is false, many of the scientists who worked on it have admitted their fraud and their beliefs that there has been no warming. Plus that quote is old and it doesn't matter what societies push. They are funded to push certain things and if they don't they lose funding or are fired. The scientific community is very corrupt, and the truth about that is all coming out now. And what about what Phil Jones said from the link above your post? And what about my petition signed by scientists who don't support AGW?

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    See below:

    "The finding that the climate has warmed in recent decades and that human activities are already contributing adversely to global climate change has been endorsed by every national science academy that has issued a statement on climate change, including the science academies of all of the major industrialized countries.[25] With the release of the revised statement by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists in 2007[26], no remaining scientific society is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate change."
    Global warming controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Disappearing the Medieval Warm Period in Wikipedia
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    “If a consensus of the majority is all it takes to determine what is right, then having and controlling information becomes extraordinarily important.”
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    Financial Post - Wikipedia’s climate doctor:

    All told, (U.K. scientist and Green Party activist William) Connolley created or rewrote 5,428 unique Wikipedia articles. His control over Wikipedia was greater still, however, through the role he obtained at Wikipedia as a website administrator, which allowed him to act with virtual impunity. When Connolley didn’t like the subject of a certain article, he removed it — more than 500 articles of various descriptions disappeared at his hand. When he disapproved of the arguments that others were making, he often had them barred — over 2,000 Wikipedia contributors who ran afoul of him found themselves blocked from making further contributions. Acolytes whose writing conformed to Connolley’s global warming views, in contrast, were rewarded with Wikipedia’s blessings. In these ways, Connolley turned Wikipedia into the missionary wing of the global warming movement.

    The Medieval Warm Period disappeared, as did criticism of the global warming orthodoxy. With the release of the Climategate Emails, the disappearing trick has been exposed. The glorious Medieval Warm Period will remain in the history books, perhaps with an asterisk to describe how a band of zealots once tried to make it disappear.

    This isn’t a criticism of Wikipedia, by the way. The same thing can happen elsewhere. If anything Wikipedia makes it possible to track the numbers you see above for silenced contributors and deleted articles. This does, however, point to the need for Wikipedia to make their editorial process less vulnerable to a rogue censor.

    Gee, it's not surprising the faithful in the AGW religion rely on Wikipedia.

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