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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I did cite it, didn't you read it?
    Facts not considered to produce your logic, but which are facts nonetheless:

    1) Warming trend started 150 years before 1800.

    2) CO2 trends rise AFTER warming trend. Claiming CO2 rise causes warming trend violates fact and hence logic.

    3) The creation of clouds from water vapor create negative feedback to cancel your alleged positive feedback.

    4) Your "logic" can't account for the cooling experienced in the last decade. A positive control loop that increases temperature can't be used to explain decreases in temperature. Hence, your logic is half-assed.

    5) Hotter water in the Atlantic means more rain, more hurricanes. The Southern states have suffered drought and that drought has been exacerbated by a notable shortage of hurricanes in the last half-decade.
    Yes I see the citations in that

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    That you won't understand that the warming trend began at the very coldest part of the Little Ice Age merely highlights your ignorance of the topic at hand, and further shows your grasp on logic is weak.
    Please cite that. You are currently arguing that the return to status quo has been happening since the end of the Little Ice Age, and you seem to be mixing that with the climate change beyond the previous status quo.


    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I did not say the current warming trend began ca. 1800. The Gaia Worshippers have. I said it began 150 years before that. The bottom of the Little Ice Age happened ca. 1650.
    Either way, cite it. You're mixing the end of the Little Ice Age and the beginning of ACC.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Yes I see the citations in that



    Please cite that.
    I have to cite a reference that states that one marks the beginning of a trend where the first and second derivatives of the defining function are both equal to zero?

    Just read any calculus book, okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    You are currently arguing that the return to status quo has been happening since the end of the Little Ice Age, and you seem to be mixing that with the climate change beyond the previous status quo.
    Nope, not one time have I EVER said today's climate variations are anything outside statistically standard deviations.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I have to cite a reference that states that one marks the beginning of a trend where the first and second derivatives of the defining function are both equal to zero?

    Just read any calculus book, okay?
    Oh wow, you used some big words, does it make you feel smart

    You have yet to establish that there is indeed something to shift the climate back to its original point, as of yet, the only thing explained in terms of a feedback was my idea of a positive feedback loop. You mentioned a negative feedback system, but you have yet to explain it. Furthermore, you have as of yet failed to show that the warming trend from 1650 has continued, and you have also failed to even explain why.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Nope, not one time have I EVER said today's climate variations are anything outside statistically standard deviations.

    Then stop throwing up crap to hide what you're really saying. You're just wasting my time right now, so get your crap together.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    "The finding that the climate has warmed in recent decades and that human activities are already contributing adversely to global climate change has been endorsed by every national science academy that has issued a statement on climate change, including the science academies of all of the major industrialized countries.[25] With the release of the revised statement by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists in 2007[26], no remaining scientific society is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate change."
    Global warming controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "The finding that the climate has warmed in recent decades and that human activities are already contributing adversely to global climate change has been endorsed by every national science academy that has issued a statement on climate change, including the science academies of all of the major industrialized countries.[25] With the release of the revised statement by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists in 2007[26], no remaining scientific society is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate change."
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    Still hanging on to that blind faith of yours, eh?

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Oh wow, you used some big words, does it make you feel smart

    You have yet to establish that there is indeed something to shift the climate back to its original point, as of yet, the only thing explained in terms of a feedback was my idea of a positive feedback loop.
    Oh? You're claiming the climate is being restored to some pre-determined prior case?

    Why?

    I've been saying the climate exists within known boundaries and is maintained therein by various control functions. Your depiction of a geometrically increasing (aka "positive feedback") control function ins't consistent with observed facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    You mentioned a negative feedback system, but you have yet to explain it. Furthermore, you have as of yet failed to show that the warming trend from 1650 has continued, and you have also failed to even explain why.
    Oh, so you say I don't say it, then you say I say it.

    I don't need to explain it. It's called "weather". This "weather" thing adjusts the local distribution of atmospheric energy daily, and given the nature of the hydrologic cycle it's very efficient at shifting energy levels back to their long term normals. Water evaporates from oceans under sunlight, forms clouds that limit the sunlight. Water falls as snow and the increased albedo decreases the net planetary insolation and reduces the evaporation cycle. This changing equilibrium has been in effect since South America rammed North America and created the Isthmus of Panama. Yes, ocean currents play a role too. The whole system is so complex the people pushing their AGW religion can't understand it, either, which is why their theories failed.

    Since, however, AGW does not explain current climate shifts, it's not worth much as a theory. A political propaganda tool it works well, but it's not science.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Then stop throwing up crap to hide what you're really saying. You're just wasting my time right now, so get your crap together.
    I apologize for your failure to understand first semester calculus. But it's not my fault.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Still hanging on to that blind faith of yours, eh?
    Did you read where they finally found Al Gore?

    But what a burden would be lifted! We would no longer have to worry that our grandchildren would one day look back on us as a criminal generation that had selfishly and blithely ignored clear warnings that their fate was in our hands.
    Well, we've been warning them, it's up to the politicians to start listening so they don't squander our children's inheritance trying to stop the progressions of perfectly natural cyclic climate changes.


    I, for one, genuinely wish that the climate crisis were an illusion.
    Hey! Al Gore's wishes come true!

    If only he'd wished for a brain, or some integrity....


    The heavy snowfalls this month have been used as fodder for ridicule by those who argue that global warming is a myth, yet scientists have long pointed out that warmer global temperatures have been increasing the rate of evaporation from the oceans, putting significantly more moisture into the atmosphere ó thus causing heavier downfalls of both rain and snow in particular regions, including the Northeastern United States. Just as itís important not to miss the forest for the trees, neither should we miss the climate for the snowstorm.
    He must be referring to the times when the AGW freaks aren't busy running around and blaming the world's droughts on AGW. So, according to the AGW freaks, AGW simultaneously causes droughts and increased precipitation.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    It would appear from recent news that Monsanto believes in AGW enough to make significant investments, even in the current financial climate.



    Monsanto bets that global warming is real | The Platform | STLtoday
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Still hanging on to that blind faith of yours, eh?
    Yes, I still have faith in the consensus of every scientific society on the planet.

    But that's just me, I understand there are more important considerations to others than science.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    It would appear from recent news that Monsanto believes in AGW enough to make significant investments, even in the current financial climate.



    Monsanto bets that global warming is real | The Platform | STLtoday
    No, it means Mosanto sees the prospect of making money.

    I've this feeling the people who put up the investment capital for pet rocks didn't believe that the rocks needed special care and feeding.

    And look at all the people that gave money to Bernie Madoff, even though he, like the AGW people, couldn't explain what he was doing without getting into trouble.

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