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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    No, man made global warming does exist to a certain extent.

    The debate should be over the extent of man-made global warming vs. natural global warming, and whether or not policies like "carbon taxes" are necessary. There's no real scientific debate that it's "all a hoax", so we need to move past that.
    The problem is now they have to figure out how to explain the cooling.

    Reuters AlertNet - ANALYSIS-Scientists examine causes for lull in warming


    Climate scientists must do more to work out how exceptionally cold winters or a dip in world temperatures fit their theories of global warming, if they are to persuade an increasingly sceptical public.

    At stake is public belief that greenhouse gas emissions are warming the planet, and political momentum to act as governments struggle to agree a climate treaty which could direct trillions of dollars into renewable energy, away from fossil fuels.

    Public conviction of global warming's risks may have been undermined by an error in a U.N. panel report exaggerating the pace of melt of Himalayan glaciers and by the disclosure of hacked emails revealing scientists sniping at sceptics, who leapt on these as evidence of data fixing.

    Scientists said they must explain better how a freezing winter this year in parts of the northern hemisphere and a break in a rising trend in global temperatures since 1998 can happen when heat-trapping gases are pouring into the atmosphere.

    "There is a lack of consensus," said Kevin Trenberth, head of the Climate Analysis Section at the U.S. National Center for Atmospheric Research, on why global temperatures have not matched a peak set in 1998, or in 2005 according to one U.S. analysis.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You are smarter than all scientist?
    I'm pointing out what scientists have already established, and is now postulated.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The problem is now they have to figure out how to explain the cooling.

    Reuters AlertNet - ANALYSIS-Scientists examine causes for lull in warming


    Climate scientists must do more to work out how exceptionally cold winters or a dip in world temperatures fit their theories of global warming, if they are to persuade an increasingly sceptical public.

    At stake is public belief that greenhouse gas emissions are warming the planet, and political momentum to act as governments struggle to agree a climate treaty which could direct trillions of dollars into renewable energy, away from fossil fuels.

    Public conviction of global warming's risks may have been undermined by an error in a U.N. panel report exaggerating the pace of melt of Himalayan glaciers and by the disclosure of hacked emails revealing scientists sniping at sceptics, who leapt on these as evidence of data fixing.

    Scientists said they must explain better how a freezing winter this year in parts of the northern hemisphere and a break in a rising trend in global temperatures since 1998 can happen when heat-trapping gases are pouring into the atmosphere.

    "There is a lack of consensus," said Kevin Trenberth, head of the Climate Analysis Section at the U.S. National Center for Atmospheric Research, on why global temperatures have not matched a peak set in 1998, or in 2005 according to one U.S. analysis.
    First off, the public is retarded. The proof in that is there are people in the public who think Stalin, Hitler, and all those other guys were amazing. There are people who think we should convert to anarchy. There are people who think we should be communist. Needless to say, people are remarkably stupid, and they can't decipher what's fact and whats fiction.

    Another thing you need to understand, climate change and meteorology are different. Weather patterns and overall climate shifts are different.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    First off, the public is retarded. The proof in that is there are people in the public who think Stalin, Hitler, and all those other guys were amazing. There are people who think we should convert to anarchy. There are people who think we should be communist. Needless to say, people are remarkably stupid, and they can't decipher what's fact and whats fiction.

    Another thing you need to understand, climate change and meteorology are different. Weather patterns and overall climate shifts are different.
    No matter what happens GW is the reason for it. Do you know how unbelievable that is.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No matter what happens GW is the reason for it. Do you know how unbelievable that is.
    Did I say that? No.

    What I said was it depends on the situation and it depends on the circumstances. In my opinion, the recent snow storms on the east coast are the cause of overall climate change. The change which caused this storm was specifically increased amount of evaporation in the ITCZ, which directly leads to stronger winds, greater variability wind pressure, and therefore more powerful storms.

    What isn't global warming is a the series of storms on the Western Coast of the US. This is caused by the ENSO event, which is a natural cycle repeated every few years. There have been no major events that could have reasonably caused the storm on the East Coast, however, therefore the only logical explanation left is increased water vapor over the equator, which means increased wind speed and variable pressure systems.

    This is basic stuff, but admittedly there are a lot of tricks to it. One of those tricks is looking in the wrong place for an answer. Often, the answer starts thousands of miles away, such as in the case of both weather patterns/events.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Did I say that? No.

    What I said was it depends on the situation and it depends on the circumstances. In my opinion, the recent snow storms on the east coast are the cause of overall climate change. The change which caused this storm was specifically increased amount of evaporation in the ITCZ, which directly leads to stronger winds, greater variability wind pressure, and therefore more powerful storms.

    What isn't global warming is a the series of storms on the Western Coast of the US. This is caused by the ENSO event, which is a natural cycle repeated every few years. There have been no major events that could have reasonably caused the storm on the East Coast, however, therefore the only logical explanation left is increased water vapor over the equator, which means increased wind speed and variable pressure systems.

    This is basic stuff, but admittedly there are a lot of tricks to it. One of those tricks is looking in the wrong place for an answer. Often, the answer starts thousands of miles away, such as in the case of both weather patterns/events.
    As always GW can explain it away no matter what the weather. It can be hot,cold, rain, snow, hurricanes you always have an out no proof but always an explanation.

    That is why the article I posted shows GW scientist trying to explain away the cooling trend.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    No, man made global warming does exist to a certain extent.

    The debate should be over the extent of man-made global warming vs. natural global warming, and whether or not policies like "carbon taxes" are necessary. There's no real scientific debate that it's "all a hoax", so we need to move past that.

    Quite right, mainstream science concurred on man's contribution to global warming in 2007. The only debate that remains is a political one.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Quite right, mainstream science concurred on man's contribution to global warming in 2007. The only debate that remains is a political one.
    I would like to see proof January was the warmest on record.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    First off, the public is retarded. The proof in that is there are people in the public who think Stalin, Hitler, and all those other guys were amazing. There are people who think we should convert to anarchy. There are people who think we should be communist. Needless to say, people are remarkably stupid, and they can't decipher what's fact and whats fiction.

    Another thing you need to understand, climate change and meteorology are different. Weather patterns and overall climate shifts are different.
    The people who are impressed with Stalin and Mao and Che and Obama are the same people worshipping before the altar of human induced global warming.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    That is why the article I posted shows GW scientist trying to explain away the cooling trend.
    Remember the e-mails. The AGW acolyte telling another that they have to "hide the decline".

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