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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Really, it seems to me that the only way to completely determine one way or another would be to:

    Place temperature, pressure, energy, and molecular (as in, what molecules are in the area) sensors on a 25 meter (or would 250 meter be more reasonable?) spacing in a 3-D grid covering the entire surface of the earth and extending up to geosynchronous orbit.

    Tie it to the Sats there with large ribbons.

    Of gold foil covered cloth, to protect against sunlight.

    Shiny.

    Use data collected from such to prove or disprove theories as to how various gasses produced (or not) by man are causing an effect which the earth cannot correct for on its own, and without any other than very minor changes outside the normal shifts in temperature, atmospheric makeup, and such.

    Hope that the sensors all stay where they are supposed to be, functioning normally, despite the normal (and drastically adverse to such a system) changes in weather around the globe.

    Of course, you could use sensors in space, on the ground, and floating on balloons to do the same…to an extent.

    But it wouldn’t be anywhere near as accurate…

    Thoughts on my idea?

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Quotes from Scientist that you will not address because only the liars of the IPCC and NASA matter.
    Ignore them then if you don't trust them and give me documentation for your position from any scientific body of national or international standing.

    I'll wait!
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Really, it seems to me that the only way to completely determine one way or another would be to:

    Place temperature, pressure, energy, and molecular (as in, what molecules are in the area) sensors on a 25 meter (or would 250 meter be more reasonable?) spacing in a 3-D grid covering the entire surface of the earth and extending up to geosynchronous orbit.

    Tie it to the Sats there with large ribbons.

    Of gold foil covered cloth, to protect against sunlight.

    Shiny.

    Use data collected from such to prove or disprove theories as to how various gasses produced (or not) by man are causing an effect which the earth cannot correct for on its own, and without any other than very minor changes outside the normal shifts in temperature, atmospheric makeup, and such.

    Hope that the sensors all stay where they are supposed to be, functioning normally, despite the normal (and drastically adverse to such a system) changes in weather around the globe.

    Of course, you could use sensors in space, on the ground, and floating on balloons to do the same…to an extent.

    But it wouldn’t be anywhere near as accurate…

    Thoughts on my idea?

    If that is what you need to do, please let us know of your results.

    In the meantime for myself, I am satisfied with the findings by every scientific organization of National or International standing through decades of study as shown here:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058572693
    Last edited by Catawba; 02-19-10 at 09:19 PM.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    I think we have already gone past the tipping point of global warming get a helmet.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Quotes from Scientist that you will not address because only the liars of the IPCC and NASA matter.
    The biggest problem most people have when talking about Global Warming is that they do not really comprehend that they are only talking about a theory.

    Now Climate Change and Global Warming as a trend is a fact, that is known simply because ice sheets no longer cover huge areas of North America, Europe, and Asia. Nobody disputes that the Earth is growing warmer, and has been doing so since our most advanced tool was a rock.

    However, Man Made Global Warming is simply a theory. It is no more of a fact then what the Universe was like before the Big Bang or the ultimate fate of the Universe ("Big Crunch" or "Big Freeze").

    And the biggest problem for people like me in accepting that "Man Made Global Warming" is simply the small amount of true empirical data we have. Most of our "true" data really only dates back 100 years or so. We have some other data that goes back another 100-200 years beyond that, but it is spotty at best. Other climate speculations are just that, speculation.

    However, we do know that during the last ice age, North Africa was a lush wetland. Death Valley was a massive lake at the time of the fall of the Roman Republic. And a huge number of paleolithic American Indian sites are inaccessable because they are now located under water, covered by the rising ocean level since the last ice age ended.

    100 or so years of data is not enough to accurately determine facts in the cause and effect of something like the climate and weather patterns over the entire planet. And the fact that "Global Cooling" has become "Global Warming" has become "Climate Change" shows how little most scientists really understand such things, reguardless of what some want people to think.

    To me, the only honest scientists are the ones that say "We do not know, but we suspect..." To me anybody that claims they know for sure is a liar.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    The biggest problem most people have when talking about Global Warming is that they do not really comprehend that they are only talking about a theory.

    Now Climate Change and Global Warming as a trend is a fact, that is known simply because ice sheets no longer cover huge areas of North America, Europe, and Asia. Nobody disputes that the Earth is growing warmer, and has been doing so since our most advanced tool was a rock.

    However, Man Made Global Warming is simply a theory. It is no more of a fact then what the Universe was like before the Big Bang or the ultimate fate of the Universe ("Big Crunch" or "Big Freeze").

    And the biggest problem for people like me in accepting that "Man Made Global Warming" is simply the small amount of true empirical data we have. Most of our "true" data really only dates back 100 years or so. We have some other data that goes back another 100-200 years beyond that, but it is spotty at best. Other climate speculations are just that, speculation.

    However, we do know that during the last ice age, North Africa was a lush wetland. Death Valley was a massive lake at the time of the fall of the Roman Republic. And a huge number of paleolithic American Indian sites are inaccessable because they are now located under water, covered by the rising ocean level since the last ice age ended.

    100 or so years of data is not enough to accurately determine facts in the cause and effect of something like the climate and weather patterns over the entire planet. And the fact that "Global Cooling" has become "Global Warming" has become "Climate Change" shows how little most scientists really understand such things, reguardless of what some want people to think.

    To me, the only honest scientists are the ones that say "We do not know, but we suspect..." To me anybody that claims they know for sure is a liar.
    No honest scientist will claim to know for certain anything.However nobody disputes greenhouse gases trap heat in the atmosphere.Also nobody disputes man makes greenhouse gases that go into the atmosphere.

    So if your going de despute man made global warming you are at least not saying it doesent exist but saying its not significant.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If that is what you need to do, please let us know of your results.

    In the meantime for myself, I am satisfied with the findings by every scientific organization of National or International standing through decades of study as shown here:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058572693
    But I am not.

    1. I want to see:
    2. What their data was/is.
    3. Where and how they collected it.
    4. How and why they processed it as they did.
    5. Where their funding came/comes from.
    6. And, finally, I want to understand the math so that I can duplicate their findings myself.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    No honest scientist will claim to know for certain anything.However nobody disputes greenhouse gases trap heat in the atmosphere.Also nobody disputes man makes greenhouse gases that go into the atmosphere.

    So if your going de despute man made global warming you are at least not saying it doesent exist but saying its not significant.
    Fair enough. And kindly pass along to those that do believe in it that we are not all "Republican Idiots" or "Tools of the Corporations".

    I am an intelligent person, and have reached my own conclusions after a great many years of looking into the available facts and trends for myself. Nobody tells me what to think or believe. And frankly, I find it insulting when somebody implies that I do.

    And to deny that Global Warming even exists requires a real moron. Most of us do not question if it is happening, only the cause.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Nasa does a pretty good job of explaining the science in layman's terms:

    NASA - Global Warming

    The EPA site does a solid job of breaking the state knowledge down into three categories:

    • What's Known
    • What's very likely
    • What's not certain


    State of Knowledge | Science | Climate Change | U.S. EPA

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    But I am not.

    1. I want to see:
    2. What their data was/is.
    3. Where and how they collected it.
    4. How and why they processed it as they did.
    5. Where their funding came/comes from.
    6. And, finally, I want to understand the math so that I can duplicate their findings myself.

    My suggestion then would be to get a copy of the all the studies referenced in the link below and study them and research their funding. You may find it a bit daunting to duplicate the decades of research, thousands of in the field data collections, and observations from space. But if you have a big enough budget and a scientific background perhaps you can duplicate their finding yourself. Of course if the scientific community is correct in their current findings, it will be too late for the earth to act upon your findings and you will have doomed future life on the planet.

    Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming

    For myself, since I do not believe that every scientific organization of national or international standing on the planet have been conspiring for decades, I will go with their consensus.

    Best of luck to you in your scientific endeavors! Hope you do not mind if we do not wait on you to take action to protect our environment from further degradation in the meantime.
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