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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What about it? Some hacked emails that puts a small amount of methodology by one organization into question, where no wrongdoing has been charged, does not disprove all the other scientific work done all over the world by the planets major scientific organizations.
    You have to realize something here. I believe in Global Warming.

    I believe that Global Warming is real. I believe that it is happening, and it will continue to happen.

    I believe that it is part of a cycle that started roughly 35,000 years ago towards the end of the last period of glaciation, and will continue for another 5-15,000 years. That eventually all of the Northern Polar Ice Cap will dissapear, and likely most of the Southern Polar Ice Cap will also dissapear.

    Sea levels will rise by probably another 10 meters. Growing seasons will lengthen, forests will move further north, some sections will turn into desert while many more regions will become wetter and more humid.

    Because this has all happened before, and will happen again. No matter what humans do, it will happen.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eemian_Stage]Eemian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    I am one of a number of people that believe that the current warming-cooling period is simply another Dansgaard-Oeschger event.

    So you see, I am one of a large number of people (and scientists) that do believe in Global Warming. I just refuse to accept that it is man made.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    You have to realize something here. I believe in Global Warming.

    I believe that Global Warming is real. I believe that it is happening, and it will continue to happen.

    I believe that it is part of a cycle that started roughly 35,000 years ago towards the end of the last period of glaciation, and will continue for another 5-15,000 years. That eventually all of the Northern Polar Ice Cap will dissapear, and likely most of the Southern Polar Ice Cap will also dissapear.

    Sea levels will rise by probably another 10 meters. Growing seasons will lengthen, forests will move further north, some sections will turn into desert while many more regions will become wetter and more humid.

    Because this has all happened before, and will happen again. No matter what humans do, it will happen.

    Eemian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I am one of a number of people that believe that the current warming-cooling period is simply another Dansgaard-Oeschger event.

    So you see, I am one of a large number of people (and scientists) that do believe in Global Warming. I just refuse to accept that it is man made.
    Very reasonable post although I respectfully disagree in that man has no effect on it. With my science background I can't fathom how the billions of tons of greenhouse gases over the years can't be at least accentuating the warming. Hell we even effected the ozone layer with CFC's. If we can do that we sure as heck can increase the greenhouse effect with all the greenhouse gases we are releasing. I'm sure you know China is adding a new coal fire plant every week?

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    You have to realize something here. I believe in Global Warming.

    I believe that Global Warming is real. I believe that it is happening, and it will continue to happen.

    I believe that it is part of a cycle that started roughly 35,000 years ago towards the end of the last period of glaciation, and will continue for another 5-15,000 years. That eventually all of the Northern Polar Ice Cap will dissapear, and likely most of the Southern Polar Ice Cap will also dissapear.

    Sea levels will rise by probably another 10 meters. Growing seasons will lengthen, forests will move further north, some sections will turn into desert while many more regions will become wetter and more humid.

    Because this has all happened before, and will happen again. No matter what humans do, it will happen.

    Eemian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I am one of a number of people that believe that the current warming-cooling period is simply another Dansgaard-Oeschger event.

    So you see, I am one of a large number of people (and scientists) that do believe in Global Warming. I just refuse to accept that it is man made.

    I see that, but in any case........

    I addressed this here:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/66084-global-warming-myth-53.html#post1058571300
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Very reasonable post although I respectfully disagree in that man has no effect on it. With my science background I can't fathom how the billions of tons of greenhouse gases over the years can't be at least accentuating the warming.
    Your lack of creativity is not my problem. I can fathom many different ways in which its effects (CO2 emissions) were negligible or vastly overshadowed by some other factor or group of factors working in combination. Perhaps it's part of a cosmic cycle, or a solar cycle, or an oceanic cycle, or a geological cycle, or all four superimposed on one another. There's no real reason to think human CO2 emissions are a better explanation for the longterm warming we have experienced.

    This doesn't even adress the fact that the IPCC's climate models are no longer credible; one because there has been no statistically significant warming in the past fifteen years, a fact the alarmist Jones has begrudgingly admitted, and two because they've shown themselves to be incompetent and untrustworthy. The entire operation is illegitimate in my eyes. These people are not scientists.

    Hell we even effected the ozone layer with CFC's. If we can do that we sure as heck can increase the greenhouse effect with all the greenhouse gases we are releasing. I'm sure you know China is adding a new coal fire plant every week?
    There is absolutely no reason at all to jump to the conclusion that human CO2 emissions are having or have had a significant impact on average global temperatures. The correlation exists but that does not even remotely prove anything.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I can fathom many different ways in which its effects (CO2 emissions) were negligible or vastly overshadowed by some other factor or group of factors working in combination. Perhaps it's part of a cosmic cycle, or a solar cycle, or an oceanic cycle, or a geological cycle, or all four superimposed on one another.

    There's no real reason to think human CO2 emissions are a better explanation for the longterm warming we have experienced.
    I applaud your imagination and we would be happy to take a look at the kind of scientific confirmation on any one of those theories, as have been established for AGW, as outlined here:
    Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming

    This doesn't even adress the fact that the IPCC's climate models are no longer credible; one because there has been no statistically significant warming in the past fifteen years, a fact the alarmist Jones has begrudgingly admitted, and two because they've shown themselves to be incompetent and untrustworthy. The entire operation is illegitimate in my eyes. These people are not scientists.
    As someone else pointed out on this thread, if you don't trust the IPCC data, look at the data from the hundreds of other scientific organizations that independently confirmed AGW.

    There is absolutely no reason at all to jump to the conclusion that human CO2 emissions are having or have had a significant impact on average global temperatures. The correlation exists but that does not even remotely prove anything.
    No one jumped to conclusions, the scientific consensus took decades of study to confirm AGW. To ignore it risks future life on the planet.

    I'm a firm believer in the hiker's code, "pack it in, pack it out!"

    What right do we have to knowingly gamble with future generation's lives?
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Your lack of creativity is not my problem. I can fathom many different ways in which its effects (CO2 emissions) were negligible or vastly overshadowed by some other factor or group of factors working in combination. Perhaps it's part of a cosmic cycle, or a solar cycle, or an oceanic cycle, or a geological cycle, or all four superimposed on one another. There's no real reason to think human CO2 emissions are a better explanation for the longterm warming we have experienced.

    This doesn't even adress the fact that the IPCC's climate models are no longer credible; one because there has been no statistically significant warming in the past fifteen years, a fact the alarmist Jones has begrudgingly admitted, and two because they've shown themselves to be incompetent and untrustworthy. The entire operation is illegitimate in my eyes. These people are not scientists.






    There is absolutely no reason at all to jump to the conclusion that human CO2 emissions are having or have had a significant impact on average global temperatures. The correlation exists but that does not even remotely prove anything.
    Sir I don't now how to say this in a tactful so here goes...

    You're full of bull****!

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Face it. It's over...it's only a matter of time before people look at AGW alarmists in the same light as 9/11 Truthers and Birthers. I look forward to your future irrelevance.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Face it. It's over...it's only a matter of time before people look at AGW alarmists in the same light as 9/11 Truthers and Birthers. I look forward to your future irrelevance.
    Thanks for your opinion!

    "According to radiative physics and decades of laboratory measurements, increased CO2 in the atmosphere is expected to absorb more infrared radiation as it escapes back out to space. In 1970, NASA launched the IRIS satellite measuring infrared spectra. In 1996, the Japanese Space Agency launched the IMG satellite which recorded similar observations. Both sets of data were compared to discern any changes in outgoing radiation over the 26 year period (Harries 2001). What they found was a drop in outgoing radiation at the wavelength bands that greenhouse gases such as CO2 and methane (CH4) absorb energy. The change in outgoing radiation was consistent with theoretical expectations. Thus the paper found "direct experimental evidence for a significant increase in the Earth's greenhouse effect". This result has been confirmed by subsequent papers using data from later satellites (Griggs 2004, Chen 2007).


    Figure 2: Change in spectrum from 1970 to 1996 due to trace gases. 'Brightness temperature' indicates equivalent blackbody temperature (Harries 2001).

    When greenhouse gases absorb infrared radiation, the energy heats the atmosphere which in turn re-radiates infrared radiation in all directions. Some makes its way back to the earth's surface. Hence we expect to find more infrared radiation heading downwards. Surface measurements from 1973 to 2008 find an increasing trend of infrared radiation returning to earth (Wang 2009). A regional study over the central Alps found that downward infrared radiation is increasing due to the enhanced greenhouse effect (Philipona 2004). Taking this a step further, an analysis of high resolution spectral data allowed scientists to quantitatively attribute the increase in downward radiation to each of several greenhouse gases (Evans 2006). The results lead the authors to conclude that "this experimental data should effectively end the argument by skeptics that no experimental evidence exists for the connection between greenhouse gas increases in the atmosphere and global warming."

    Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming


    "All available data indicate on the negative trends in development of glaciers and ice caps in polar regions during the last decades."
    IPY: International Polar Year
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Facts are all that matters, and since I see you didn't bring any....

    Here are some more facts:
    Impacts of global warming
    So a historian on physics is now a GW expert?

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    You are entitled to your own conspiracy theories but not your own facts.
    The facts are NASA has been caught several times in lies concerning GW.

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