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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Thats great one scientist says it so it is fact.
    You want to avoid all the lies and fraud and corruption that is being revealed. This new evidence shows no GW promoters have any credibility.
    Recall that the zealots will cling to their religion, no matter what.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    ...Quotes and a
    link.
    Problem is, I checked the article in that link, and found no links to the actual study.
    If one model can be tweaked to produce the conclusions desired (as some have claimed certain ACC models have been), then any could be.
    Thus all are suspect, and, ergo, cannot be trusted unless you see the study/model yourself and understand it and how it was built.

    In short, you have to do that damn study yourself if you want to be sure of the validity.
    Last edited by The Mark; 02-16-10 at 04:51 PM.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Except when the models don't match, like the last decade.
    Your opinion is the opposite of what the evidence shows, Global warming is happening faster than the models predicted:

    But Daniel Fagre, a U.S. Geological Survey ecologist who works at Glacier, says the park’s namesakes will be gone about ten years ahead of schedule, endangering the region’s plants and animals.

    The 2030 date, he said, was based on a 2003 USGS study, along with 1992 temperature predictions by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

    “Temperature rise in our area was twice as great as what we put into the [1992] model,” Fagre said. “What we’ve been saying now is 2020.”


    Yet another climate impact occurring faster than the models had projected.
    Another climate impact coming faster than predicted: Glacier National Park to go glacier-free a decade early Climate Progress

    Oceans rising faster than expected as climate change exceeds grimmest models


    Climate Changing Faster Than Expected

    "As climate change exceeds the worst projections, scientists underscore the urgency of reducing emissions."
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Your opinion is the opposite of what the evidence shows, Global warming is happening faster than the models predicted:
    Not significantly since 1995.
    But, keep quoting the bible.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Not significantly since 1995.
    But, keep quoting the bible.
    Thanks for your opinion!
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for your opinion!
    Funny that you say that as if you have offered anything different.

    If there has been no significant warming for the last 15 years, how can the actual warming be faster than predicted?

    Was no warming predicted from 1995-2010?
    Last edited by Goobieman; 02-16-10 at 04:55 PM.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Problem is, I checked the article in that link, and found no links to the actual study.
    If one model can be tweaked to produce the conclusions desired (as some have claimed certain ACC models have been), then any could be.
    Thus all are suspect, and, ergo, cannot be trusted unless you see the study/model yourself and understand it and how it was built.
    The report was not based on models, it was based on actual "in the field" data. Then the actual data was compared with models:

    "In the study, Dr Barnett’s team examined more than seven million observations of temperature, salinity and other variables in the world’s oceans, collected by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and compared the patterns with those that are predicted by computer models of various potential causes of climate change."

    In short, you have to do that damn study yourself if you want to be sure of the validity.
    I could not find a link to the actual 2005 study, but I did find a link to a 2001 report by the Scripps Institute in Science Magazine ~

    Detection of Anthropogenic Climate Change in the World's Oceans

    Tim P. Barnett,* David W. Pierce, Reiner Schnur

    "Large-scale increases in the heat content of the world's oceans have been observed to occur over the last 45 years. The horizontal and temporal character of these changes has been closely replicated by the state-of-the-art Parallel Climate Model (PCM) forced by observed and estimated anthropogenic gases. Application of optimal detection methodology shows that the model-produced signals are indistinguishable from the observations at the 0.05 confidence level. Further, the chances of either the anthropogenic or observed signals being produced by the PCM as a result of natural, internal forcing alone are less than 5%. This suggests that the observed ocean heat-content changes are consistent with those expected from anthropogenic forcing, which broadens the basis for claims that an anthropogenic signal has been detected in the global climate system. Additionally, the requirement that modeled ocean heat uptakes match observations puts a strong, new constraint on anthropogenically forced climate models. It is unknown if the current generation of climate models, other than the PCM, meet this constraint."


    Detection of Anthropogenic Climate Change in the World's Oceans -- Barnett et al. 292 (5515): 270 -- Science

    An email address is there for Barnett, if you would like to request further documentation.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    ...More quotes and links...
    I tried to check all those links for links to reports, but got lost in one of them which appeared to be a blog linking to other blog articles in the same blog...

    However, most appear to be "X says...Y1, Y2, Y3." But no links to studies/data that proves what "X" is saying to be true.

    I did find this, but haven't perused it to check for potential errors.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Funny that you say that as if you have offered anything different.

    If there has been no significant warming for the last 15 years, how can the actual warming be faster than predicted?

    Was no warming predicted from 1995-2010?
    I again thank you for your opinion, but I will go with the reports by the experts I have posted above.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I again thank you for your opinion, but I will go with the reports by the experts I have posted above.
    Well, of course - your zeal for your faith dictates that you ignore anything that runs contrary to same.

    Having said that, you can now answer the questions.

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