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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Perhaps we should just focus on energy efficiency and cleaning up this dirty freaking planet.

    Noise pollution in cities is also pollution.

    Global warming is not a myth, but the ridiculous focus on only global warming, is probably created only to avoid facing the ecological disasters we have at all walks of life.
    No one is abandoning regulation of other pollutants to put all our marbles on CO2 pollution. C02 pollution is a priority because of its potential to end life on the planet as we know it. Noise pollution does not.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I submitted confirmation from our own EPA's findings (under both parties), that in addition to the findings of scientists from 180 countries trumps everything presented in your articles from my perspective.

    Those EPA findings are the basis of new CAFE requirements and will soon be used to regulate C02 emissions from industry just like other air pollutants, which will not require Congressional approval.

    This will represent the biggest reduction in C02 emissions in the history of the US.
    Yes, we know the Lefties have managed to get the EPA to falsely proclaim that CO2 is a pollutant. After all, if CO2 was called a pollutant, the EPA would expand it's power over the nation hugely, and what petty bureaucrat doesn't dream of being able to do just that?

    Unfortunately, carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. It's a source of amusement, as college beer belching contests prove. It's a source of food for photosynthetic plants, as the addition of CO2 to greenhouses shows. It's a natural product of combustion, as everyone who breathes should know.

    But it's not a pollutant. It's not even toxic at levels far in excess of anything even the most devout of the devout AGW's claim can happen.

    It's just....hot gas, just like AGW.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes, we know the Lefties have managed to get the EPA to falsely proclaim that CO2 is a pollutant. After all, if CO2 was called a pollutant, the EPA would expand it's power over the nation hugely, and what petty bureaucrat doesn't dream of being able to do just that?

    Unfortunately, carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. It's a source of amusement, as college beer belching contests prove. It's a source of food for photosynthetic plants, as the addition of CO2 to greenhouses shows. It's a natural product of combustion, as everyone who breathes should know.

    But it's not a pollutant. It's not even toxic at levels far in excess of anything even the most devout of the devout AGW's claim can happen.

    It's just....hot gas, just like AGW.

    All pollutants have an acceptable risk level. And all pollutants are regulated below that level. CO2 is no different, as the new EPA findings have shown.

    If you wish to cling to world conspiracy theories suit yourself.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes, we know the Lefties have managed to get the EPA to falsely proclaim that CO2 is a pollutant. After all, if CO2 was called a pollutant, the EPA would expand it's power over the nation hugely, and what petty bureaucrat doesn't dream of being able to do just that?

    Unfortunately, carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. It's a source of amusement, as college beer belching contests prove. It's a source of food for photosynthetic plants, as the addition of CO2 to greenhouses shows. It's a natural product of combustion, as everyone who breathes should know.

    But it's not a pollutant. It's not even toxic at levels far in excess of anything even the most devout of the devout AGW's claim can happen.

    It's just....hot gas, just like AGW.
    Thats carbon already in the carbon cycle. The paleocarbon being released when oil burns is new carbon being added to the carbon cycle, forcing the atmosphere to increase it's total capacity. Thats the argument that the CO2 being released is bad, because it was previously stored, and is now being readded to the environment, which the environment is not suited to handling correctly.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    C02 pollution is a priority because of its potential to end life on the planet as we know it.
    CO2 has ZERO potential to do this to planet Earth.

    This kind of hysteria is incredibly amusing to watch, until one realizes that the con-men have succeeded in wasting yet another human mind.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Thats carbon already in the carbon cycle. The paleocarbon being released when oil burns is new carbon being added to the carbon cycle, forcing the atmosphere to increase it's total capacity. Thats the argument that the CO2 being released is bad, because it was previously stored, and is now being readded to the environment, which the environment is not suited to handling correctly.
    Right.

    So what you're saying is that OLD CO2 is nice and friendly, but NEW CO2 is EeeeevillLLLLL!!!!!

    Yeah, whatever.

    CO2 ain't a pollutant.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    CO2 has ZERO potential to do this to planet Earth.

    This kind of hysteria is incredibly amusing to watch, until one realizes that the con-men have succeeded in wasting yet another human mind.

    Yes, you have made your opinion known. Thanks!

    In the meantime............

    EPA Moves to Regulate CO2 as a Hazard to Health


    Read more: EPA: Greenhouse Gases a Health Hazard; Regulation Coming - TIME
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Right.

    So what you're saying is that OLD CO2 is nice and friendly, but NEW CO2 is EeeeevillLLLLL!!!!!

    Yeah, whatever.

    CO2 ain't a pollutant.
    What I'm saying is newly introduced CO2 is bad for the environment, because the atmosphere already has reached a saturation point. While the net effect of this increase in CO2 isn't devastating, it starts a chain reaction. The paleocarbon, which is released from burning fossil fuels, increases the amount of thermal energy stored in the Earth's atmosphere very marginally.

    But, this is still a problem, because then this slight increase in energy increases the amount of water which evaporates, because warmer water evaporates faster. This is the problem. By far the most effective greenhouse gas is water vapor, which starts its own little (metaphorically speaking) chain reaction, warming, and releasing more and more water vapor through evaporation.

    This process also starts with minute increases in methane, or CH4. The difference with the methane, largely released by livestock, is that it isn't a paleocarbon. Therefore, the environment is suited to hold the methane, because it is just being transferred from the livestock to the atmosphere, which is readily transferred into plants.

    Do you understand now? Its indirectly the increase of paleocarbons that causes global warming, which leads to, in parts of the world, snow storms of unparalleled ferocity. But thats meteorology. Just ask if you need me to explain that as well.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    What I'm saying is newly introduced CO2 is bad for the environment, because the atmosphere already has reached a saturation point. While the net effect of this increase in CO2 isn't devastating, it starts a chain reaction. The paleocarbon, which is released from burning fossil fuels, increases the amount of thermal energy stored in the Earth's atmosphere very marginally.

    But, this is still a problem, because then this slight increase in energy increases the amount of water which evaporates, because warmer water evaporates faster. This is the problem. By far the most effective greenhouse gas is water vapor, which starts its own little (metaphorically speaking) chain reaction, warming, and releasing more and more water vapor through evaporation.

    This process also starts with minute increases in methane, or CH4. The difference with the methane, largely released by livestock, is that it isn't a paleocarbon. Therefore, the environment is suited to hold the methane, because it is just being transferred from the livestock to the atmosphere, which is readily transferred into plants.

    Do you understand now? Its indirectly the increase of paleocarbons that causes global warming, which leads to, in parts of the world, snow storms of unparalleled ferocity. But thats meteorology. Just ask if you need me to explain that as well.
    Just wondering...
    How do we know "the atmosphere already has reached a saturation point."
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Just wondering...
    How do we know "the atmosphere already has reached a saturation point."
    The atmosphere has been operating at saturation point. If it wasn't already at equilibrium, then more carbon would have been added into the cycle, naturally, from the ocean, or plants, or ground.
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