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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Your information is wa-a-ay out of date. See Bakken Formation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    From your source ~

    "In 2007, production from Elm Coulee averaged 53,000 barrels per day (8,400 m3/d) — more than the entire state of Montana a few years earlier."

    In 2007, we used 20.1 million barrels per day.
    United States Oil - consumption - Economy

    Have we produced more oil that we used, therefore disproving Peak oil in the US? Not since 1970

    Unrealistic expectations are one thing, reality is another. Peak oil does not mean we ran out of oil, it means we use more than we can produce.

    And since this thread is about GW, how would burning more fossil fuels help reduce GW, even if they were available?
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Your information is wa-a-ay out of date. See Bakken Formation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    That gives 3-4 extra years supply assuming no rise in consumption. So what?
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Biodiesel simply shows the extent to our ridiculous addiction to fuel goes. It is quite tellingthat in a world where nearly nearly 2 billion people are starving we'd take food and use it to run our cars. No. I think the correct method is to pursue nuclear and nitrogen.
    Biodiesel does not have to be made with food sources. They have found that growing algae in vertical tubes can provide a much greater source of energy per acre than food sources.

    Nuclear may play a role if they can find a way to lower the huge costs, and deal with the wastes. It is also not sustainable as it depends on a finite source of uranium. And then there are security issues. We are at this time threatening Iran for trying to develop nuclear capability.

    Nitrogen will not play any kind of significant role because it is not an energy source, it is just a storage medium for energy. It takes another energy source to make nitrogen.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    So, am I getting this straight? If and when the US achieves Energy Independence, it will cut it's military spending by half,
    I doubt it will be that drastic.

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    cease trading arms with the Saudis
    Probably. The House of Saud would no longer be of much use to us if they didn't have oil.

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    and return to a Fortress America, isolationist foreign policy? Is that what the EI advocates are expecting?
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I doubt it will be that drastic.



    Probably. The House of Saud would no longer be of much use to us if they didn't have oil.



    Why must you draw the most extreme conclusion possible?
    I'm not drawing conclusions. I'm asking the question: what would it mean to US society and politics to be energy independent?

    I don't get your Saudi comment. US en.ind. has nothing to do with whether the Saudis still have oil or not. As you can see from the link I posted earlier, if you remain dependent on oil, US reserves will run out long before Saudi reserves.

    Which raises another question. Can you explain to me how en.ind. could be achieved? Is it just about improved exploitation of remaining reserves of oil, gas and coal? Or is it also about massive investment in alternative energy sources such as wind, wave, solar and nuclear? If the latter, then converting motoring habits from gas guzzlers to electric or hydrogen-driven vehicles must also be on the agenda, no?
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Man's part in global warming was ridiculously exaggerated.

    The world is aging, and just like the animal's body is weakened with time, so is the planet.
    The weather is becoming more and more unbalanced, more and more extreme, and it would only become worse.
    Nothing we can do about it with current technology, really.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Man's part in global warming was ridiculously exaggerated.

    The world is aging, and just like the animal's body is weakened with time, so is the planet.
    The weather is becoming more and more unbalanced, more and more extreme, and it would only become worse.
    Nothing we can do about it with current technology, really.
    But the point behind anthropogenic sources of climate change, is that we are the only things that have changed (dramatically) over the past few centuries.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    But the point behind anthropogenic sources of climate change, is that we are the only things that have changed (dramatically) over the past few centuries.
    There are quite a lot of people who would tell you that global warming as a whole is a myth.

    That I disagree with.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Man's part in global warming was ridiculously exaggerated.

    The world is aging, and just like the animal's body is weakened with time, so is the planet.
    The weather is becoming more and more unbalanced, more and more extreme, and it would only become worse.
    Nothing we can do about it with current technology, really.
    And your documentation for this is what???
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And your documentation for this is what???
    That the weather is becoming more and more extreme, that the world is aging, or that we lack the technology to pull a drastic change on the planet's path?

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