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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Glad to see the EPA is not waiting for cap and trade and moved forward to support the biggest reduction in greenhouse gases in US history:


    "WASHINGTON – After a thorough examination of the scientific evidence and careful consideration of public comments, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced today that greenhouse gases (GHGs) threaten the public health and welfare of the American people. EPA also finds that GHG emissions from on-road vehicles contribute to that threat.

    GHGs are the primary driver of climate change, which can lead to hotter, longer heat waves that threaten the health of the sick, poor or elderly; increases in ground-level ozone pollution linked to asthma and other respiratory illnesses; as well as other threats to the health and welfare of Americans.

    “These long-overdue findings cement 2009’s place in history as the year when the United States Government began addressing the challenge of greenhouse-gas pollution and seizing the opportunity of clean-energy reform,” said EPA Administrator Lisa P. Jackson. “Business leaders, security experts, government officials, concerned citizens and the United States Supreme Court have called for enduring, pragmatic solutions to reduce the greenhouse gas pollution that is causing climate change. This continues our work towards clean energy reform that will cut GHGs and reduce the dependence on foreign oil that threatens our national security and our economy.”

    12/07/2009: EPA: Greenhouse Gases Threaten Public Health and the Environment / Science overwhelmingly shows greenhouse gas concentrations at unprecedented levels due to human activity

    I'm very excited to finally see the realization by officials that the section in bold is key to our long-term sustainabilty. These are the new priorities I voted for!!!

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syVJiiXoSSU"]YouTube- EPA Press Conference, Lisa Jackson[/ame]
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Glad to see the EPA is not waiting for cap and trade and moved forward to support the biggest reduction in greenhouse gases in US history:
    Who needs democracy when you have beurocracy?


    Not that it matters, the EPA has done nothing since that December 2009 article, nor will they, hopefully.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    I like the fact that there is an "other" option on this po- oh wait a second ...


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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Here's a question for those coming across all defensive about the right to drive the car you want and protecting the right of car manufacturers to build the cars they want.

    Why do cars sold in the US all guzzle much more gas than their equivalents elsewhere? I just did some research. The best possible consumption you can get in a VW Passat sold in the US is 22 MPG (in a 1.9L gas burner). The worst possible consumption you can get on a European spec Passat is 28.5 MPG (in a 1.8L gas burner). The best available is 52.3 MPG (in a 1.6L diesel). Why should it be that US motorists aren't even given the option of buying a more economical, environment-friendly car?

    Check the stats and tell me why you think this is?
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    If you worry that saving energy erodes your personal freedom, why not ask the car manufacturers why you aren't being given the freedom to choose a greener car if you want one?
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Who needs democracy when you have beurocracy?


    Not that it matters, the EPA has done nothing since that December 2009 article, nor will they, hopefully.
    They are doing what we put them in office to do. Hard to get a handle on that huh?

    Yeah, it has been two whole months. I guess you don't have worry about the air getting cleaner, our dependence on oil decreasing, our need for Middle East wars decreasing, and our economy improving. Why spoil the good recession that started in 2007, right?
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Here's a question for those coming across all defensive about the right to drive the car you want and protecting the right of car manufacturers to build the cars they want.

    Why do cars sold in the US all guzzle much more gas than their equivalents elsewhere? I just did some research. The best possible consumption you can get in a VW Passat sold in the US is 22 MPG (in a 1.9L gas burner). The worst possible consumption you can get on a European spec Passat is 28.5 MPG (in a 1.8L gas burner). The best available is 52.3 MPG (in a 1.6L diesel). Why should it be that US motorists aren't even given the option of buying a more economical, environment-friendly car?

    Check the stats and tell me why you think this is?
    Passat - Complete Specs
    The Official Website for Volkswagen UK : Volkswagen UK

    If you worry that saving energy erodes your personal freedom, why not ask the car manufacturers why you aren't being given the freedom to choose a greener car if you want one?
    The US Gallon is different from the Imperial gallon by about 3/4 of a liter less.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    US consumers ARE given those options, they are just to stupid and self-absorbed with their 5 ton SUVs to take any notice.

    People complain at the very last minute in the country.


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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The US Gallon is different from the Imperial gallon by about 3/4 of a liter less.
    That doesn't really answer the question. I just did the conversion. That means that the best US Passat does 22 MPG and the worst European now does 24 MPG. It really doesn't explain why a US driver can't choose a version that does 44 MPG (53 European MPG).
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Here's a question for those coming across all defensive about the right to drive the car you want and protecting the right of car manufacturers to build the cars they want.

    Why do cars sold in the US all guzzle much more gas than their equivalents elsewhere? I just did some research. The best possible consumption you can get in a VW Passat sold in the US is 22 MPG (in a 1.9L gas burner). The worst possible consumption you can get on a European spec Passat is 28.5 MPG (in a 1.8L gas burner). The best available is 52.3 MPG (in a 1.6L diesel). Why should it be that US motorists aren't even given the option of buying a more economical, environment-friendly car?

    Check the stats and tell me why you think this is?
    Passat - Complete Specs
    The Official Website for Volkswagen UK : Volkswagen UK

    If you worry that saving energy erodes your personal freedom, why not ask the car manufacturers why you aren't being given the freedom to choose a greener car if you want one?
    Because our politicians have been receiving their marching orders from their corporate oil backers and car manufactures here that make more money from big gas guzzlers and they have a public here willing to buy them because they have convinced them that it would infringe on our liberty to invade and occupy countries to supply the oil needed so that we have the liberty to be wasteful to the detriment of future generations.

    Does it all make sense now?
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    US consumers ARE given those options, they are just to stupid and self-absorbed with their 5 ton SUVs to take any notice.

    People complain at the very last minute in the country.
    Check out the URLs, US buyers are NOT being offered more fuel efficient versions. Perhaps they wouldn't buy them even if they were, but that's not really the point.
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