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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It does happen on both sides, my issue is just slightly more with the global warming folks.

    I've never heard the "no global warming" folks going "There's a hurricane, its not global warming" or "its unseasonbly hot, its not global warming" as if those things are proof.

    Yet I hear that from the GW crowd. It seems like ANYTHING that is weather related, somehow, someway, is proof global warming exists. No snow? that's proof. Lots of snow? That's proof. Hot temperatures? That's proof. Cold temperatures? That's proof. Heavy bad weather times? That's proof. Really light bad weather times? That's not proof. Normal weather or average temperatures....that's just an anomaly
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    You see the difference is that he did not present this hypothesis as factual and completely indisputable, while you did with your "no icecaps until 15 million years ago" claim.
    What I actually posted was "no PERMANENT icecaps until 15 million years ago" and I gave you a link to my source. Shall we discuss the meaning of "permanent"?
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    What I actually posted was "no PERMANENT icecaps until 15 million years ago" and I gave you a link to my source. Shall we discuss the meaning of "permanent"?
    this is still not known to be factual, yet you present as if it were, and if you want to play semantics, yes, let's discuss permanent.

    Permanent
    1. existing perpetually; everlasting, esp. without significant change.

    The icecaps are not permanent, they will disappear in the future..

    edit: and you gave a link to some random book for sale at Amazon, that does little to bolster your case.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I don't believe the extremely large lengths we would theoritically need to go, the amount of economic damage we'll do, and the amount of damage we'll do to our freedoms, is worth the minisucle likely impact it would have in the large scope of things.
    What are these "extremely large lengths" we might go to? Driving more economical cars? Heating only the rooms we actually use? Investing in alternative energy sources? How would these do any amount of economic damage? How might they damage our freedoms?

    Just what are the potentially damaging effects of altering our energy consumption behaviour?
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    What are these "extremely large lengths" we might go to? Driving more economical cars? Heating only the rooms we actually use? Investing in alternative energy sources? How would these do any amount of economic damage? How might they damage our freedoms?
    I think people should CHOOSE to do all those things.

    I don't believe the government should be mandating what I buy. If they can tell me what kind of car I can drive, they can tell me what kind of house I can live. If they can tell me what kind of house i can live they can tell me where I should live. If they can tell me I can't buy a sports car they can tell me I can't pay to go skiing cause its leisure and if they can tell me i can't go skiing they can tell me i can't go shooting and if they can tell me i can't go shooting they can tell me i can't go buying a gun, and on and on. The government has no business getting into the legislation of what kind of things I can buy unless there is some SEVERE state interest imho.

    However those are not the extreme type things. However telling businesses they must spend thousands to millions of dollars to make their business "Greener", causing them to diverge money and profits towards that rather than improving a product, research and design, or employee's is bad. Taking peoples hard earned money away from them in a form of a tax or a fine for not being "Green enough" in the additions or changes to their home is basically the government forcing them to spend money one way or another that is not of their choosing. Telling car companies they must spend money on research for "greener" cars instead of spending that money on other things that may increase the likelihood of making their cars attractive to consumers is bad.

    I think people should recycle, I commend people that CHOOSE for THEMSELVES to purchase a car with good fuel economy, I think its simply smart to not turn on the AC or the heat in my house or apartment until its actually needed. Nothing wrong with these thigns.

    I don't think the government should be mandating anyone do these things. Especially for as flimsy as a reason as Global Warming of which our affect on it may be large or small, whose affects may hurt us in decades or in centuries, of which our changes may or may not actually do anything to stop. Those pushing for such gigantic changes are either those who are simply using the theory as a means of pushing a political agenda, or those that are being decieved by them into thinking that this is simply wholey a benevolent cause to "save the earth".

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    We are having record cold temperatures and snowfall in history across the United States so the question begs to be asked...
    I hope not... I'm sick of Minnesota winters.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    While the Himalayan glacier isn't melting as fast as was stated by the scientist you mentioned, the artic ice is melting faster.

    Is Antarctic ice melting or growing?
    And the antarctic ice is increasing. The point is, even if there is global warming (or cooling) going on, there's no evidence that human activity is having any significant effect on it. The planet goes through these heating and cooling cycles regularly, it's done it since long before humanity existed, it will do it long after we're gone.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    of course, the science tells us the earth is warming. the causes are what's at issue.
    30 years ago, the science told us that another ice age was on the way, as the globe was cooling.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    30 years ago, the science told us that another ice age was on the way, as the globe was cooling.
    And 100 years ago, we knew the Earth moved through the ether. We have learned more since then.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And 100 years ago, we knew the Earth moved through the ether. We have learned more since then.
    Have we? Are you sure?
    What's changed since then, and how do you know?
    Be sure to factor in the recent revelations regarding the cooking of the termperature data books.

    And then, what's to say that 30 years from now, we will not have learned more, and found that the "global warming' scare was unfounded?

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